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Gilozard: If you seriously believe this, I don't know what you're doing with your computer but it's not what 90% of people are doing with their computers.
90% of people do not care about automatic updates, yet a lot of people complain about them. So yes, while my use of computers is atypical, I do want to know how to fix any problems people encounter.
I can go into more details about the network issues I've had every now and then on the places I've worked, but in both cases most issues were because of people who "knew what they were doing". And when the places have 65K IP addresses each to work with, you know that improper use can cause trouble.
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hedwards: Those are completely different stances to take and you know it. It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that having things automatically update and then having to guess what might have broken the computer is the same as downloading all those updates, usually one at a time, and then finding that the latest one broke the computer.

Also, Linux doesn't exactly have the same record that MS does for breaking computers with updates. I'm sure it happens, but the way that updates are performed on Linux makes it less likely for things to just break randomly. And easier to fix if it does.
Actually, it wasn't meant as a hit to the actual OS.
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hedwards: Those are completely different stances to take and you know it. It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that having things automatically update and then having to guess what might have broken the computer is the same as downloading all those updates, usually one at a time, and then finding that the latest one broke the computer.

Also, Linux doesn't exactly have the same record that MS does for breaking computers with updates. I'm sure it happens, but the way that updates are performed on Linux makes it less likely for things to just break randomly. And easier to fix if it does.
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Elenarie: Actually, it wasn't meant as a hit to the actual OS.
I know, but my point is that the two situations are very different, if you're manually agreeing to all the changes, you at least know that things have been updated. I used to agree to all the Windows updates as well. But, if something broke afterwards, I at least knew that there had been an update.

The fact that it's easier to fix it for Linux in most cases is just an additional thing to consider.
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OlivawR: While this also might be true in the Linux world, I assure you that the % of people reading what they install on a Linux machine is way above of those on Windows.
Is it? I mean, how can one even calculate that? Because IT pros, and I mean actual professionals and not some idiots that somehow got a job in IT, should be reading every single changelog and support article in preparation for each update that they install. I don't know how you would calculate who does more reading, considering how much Windows is used on the enterprise side and Linux in the non-Windows service area.
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OlivawR: While this also might be true in the Linux world, I assure you that the % of people reading what they install on a Linux machine is way above of those on Windows.
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Elenarie: Is it? I mean, how can one even calculate that? Because IT pros, and I mean actual professionals and not some idiots that somehow got a job in IT, should be reading every single changelog and support article in preparation for each update that they install. I don't know how you would calculate who does more reading, considering how much Windows is used on the enterprise side and Linux in the non-Windows service area.
You can deduct using many indices like:
- watching the popular forums: Ubuntu and Windows.
- working in a PC service to see how many Linux customers you'll have and how many with Windows. I never been asked by a Linux user how do these viruses manage to enter my PC for example.
- in the Linux world there's also the mentality fix don't format, so when something breaks in your Linux machine, you'll always do some reading
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OlivawR: While this also might be true in the Linux world, I assure you that the % of people reading what they install on a Linux machine is way above of those on Windows.
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Elenarie: Is it? I mean, how can one even calculate that? Because IT pros, and I mean actual professionals and not some idiots that somehow got a job in IT, should be reading every single changelog and support article in preparation for each update that they install. I don't know how you would calculate who does more reading, considering how much Windows is used on the enterprise side and Linux in the non-Windows service area.
I'd be skeptical of that as well. I know I should read what the updates do, but rarely do I have problems with updates in general. One of the nice things about Mint is that updates get a rating, so you have a sense of how important it is to read the update. I generally don't even think twice about updating the 1, 2 and even 3 rated updates, it's the 4s and 5s that sometimes need to be left alone.
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OlivawR: - in the Linux world there's also the mentality fix don't format, so when something breaks in your Linux machine, you'll always do some reading
Which is somewhat ironic seeing as Windows is a real bitch to reformat as a fix compared with Linux. With Linux it's trivial to backup and restore your home directory and user apps. With Windows it's a real bitch and probably always will be as the profile directory just does not lend itself to being copied to a new place and is on the same partition as the rest of the system is.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by hedwards
Personally, I read updates because I usually notice bugs fast and I don't like bugs, even the small ones, so I'm like the child in the Christmas morning when I have to update something.
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JMich: It does seem that it's not available on all regions, but the option to turn Cortana on or off was there. So it's not on by default.
Cortana won't enable unless your Country/Region setting matches your language. Not sure if that's a bug or by design. For example, a setting of Region: Canada / Language: English (US) will not work.
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oldschool: I'm sure Windows X is far superior to Windows 8, but as the saying goes, "Don't fix something that isn't broke".
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JMich: You are right. Why use TFT or IPS monitors, when the old 15" CRT ones aren't broken. Why move to DSL or Cable when Dial-Up still works just fine. SSD? My mechanical drives still work, no need to upgrade.
Your sarcasm sometimes is very annoying. My point was Windows 7 works just fine so I do not fell compelled to upgrade/downgrade your choice.
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JMich: You are right. Why use TFT or IPS monitors, when the old 15" CRT ones aren't broken. Why move to DSL or Cable when Dial-Up still works just fine. SSD? My mechanical drives still work, no need to upgrade.
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oldschool: Your sarcasm sometimes is very annoying. My point was Windows 7 works just fine so I do not fell compelled to upgrade/downgrade your choice.
In my opinion, that argument is always a two way street. Just because something is functioning adequately, doesn't mean that it cannot or should not be improved upon and updated. At the very same time however, just because an upgrade is available, it does not mean that everyone needs to or should upgrade simply for the sake of upgrading.
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catpower1980: this
been looking for something like this for a while. thanks
i think i'm too old school for this future. gonna have to learn Linux i guess
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oldschool: Your sarcasm sometimes is very annoying.
I apologize. I was aiming for always annoying ;)

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oldschool: My point was Windows 7 works just fine so I do not fell compelled to upgrade/downgrade your choice.
The quote you said is partial. It should be "If it ain't broke, and it covers your needs, don't replace it". If your needs are covered with Win7, feel free to stay there. But just because something works fine doesn't mean it couldn't use a replacement.
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oldschool: Your sarcasm sometimes is very annoying. My point was Windows 7 works just fine so I do not fell compelled to upgrade/downgrade your choice.
Windows 7 works fine in my company, but I'm upgrading 50 units here at once because, hey, it's a free upgrade and has zero problem with existing programs.

Staying up to date with latest stuffs is a good thing on its own.
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Qwertyman: Hah! Awesome! My first Windows PC was with 3.1, which I thought was the best thing ever at the time. Still had to boot to DOS to run a lot of the games of the time, but it was still great. Prior to that I had a Commodore64, so going from that to 3.1 felt like a huge leap forward.

Edit: Speaking of Windows 3.1.... still waiting for someone to come up with a way to play the Castle of the Winds on modern OS's without having to run a virtual machine with 3.1 loaded....
Plays in Linux perfectly.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by Lin545
Sorry to interject into the Windows-Linux discussion.

GOG Galaxy - Bug - Unable to open

Not sure if I'm having a Win10 issue, or if it's just an issue with the latest GOG Galaxy patch, but it is no longer opening, citing the absence of MSVCR110.dll and MSVCP110.dll.
Now that I think about it, GOG Galaxy was able to open/load, PRIOR TO the update earlier today (approx 57MB).