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phaolo: Why should I need to ask the key for my shed to other people? (the company who built it)
I'm not a kid and they shouldn't pretend to be parents worried about dangerous tools in the shed.
In the door example, because the shed is not yours, but it's the building's.
In the updates example, you don't need to ask other people. You are free to disable them, as long as you can show that you know what you are doing.

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rtcvb32: I'm not sure, i think i heard somewhere you had to enable cortana manually... Although it would probably be rather quick in asking you... As for Non-US it might have to do with some privacy laws that prevent them from enabling it, laws which are becoming more rare in the US.
It does seem that it's not available on all regions, but the option to turn Cortana on or off was there. So it's not on by default.

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rtcvb32: Also keep in mind anything you use Cortana through WILL go through Bing. I remember seeing a demo (for a windows phone) getting responses from her and every one of them included bing search results. I also remember it having a distinct bias for microsoft products, like asking her if you should get a Xbox or Playstation, she'd always urge you to get MS's product. Very likely it requires the database otherwise the voice commands have no real intelligence in the responses.
There are ways to bypass that, though it mostly revolves around changing the browser's default search engine and using additional voice commands. Give it some time though for MDL to see what they can do with her.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by JMich
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immi101: but with that argument you could remove 50% of the system setting dialogs, right? I mean I have a neat dialog to change my prefered DNS server or set a WINS server manually , but a dialog to set my update options is discarded because it is too advanced?
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JMich: DNS and WINS addresses are needed much more often than the need to block updates.
i disagree. I never used WINS in 20 years. In fact I would doubt any home user ever had the need to use it.
I generelly disagree with hiding options on the basis that I think the user shouldn't need them. That seldom works out.
In the end users will decide on what they want. I bet easy tools to access those hidden update settings will be out in a heartbeat. Might as well leave the option out there ...
But hey, at least it seems that all that talk about forcing updates for Windows Home is not true after all.
Now we just need to wait a bit for some better cfg tools to easily disable all the annoying "post-privacy"-features :p.
I did the dive today and so far I'm mostly positive.

Problems so far.

1. Chaos Gate doesn't work properly.

2. The install needed a extra restart that it didn't prompt for. Had resolutions problems and so on, it looked like it was in safe mode or something so I rebooted. Fixed it.

3. Comodo Firewall doesn't work yet.

4. Windows Updates are apparently downloaded and installed automatically and I can't find a way to turn it off.

5. Windows Security is confusing. Turned off realtime protection to see if that interfered with Comodo Firewall not working. Now I can't turn it on again and it says it will automatically turn itself on after a time. Where the heck is Windows Firewall or what's it called. Does it even exist in Windows 10? And so on.

Oh and yeah I haven't read the thread so I probably am stating what others have said already.
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Tarm: 4. Windows Updates are apparently downloaded and installed automatically and I can't find a way to turn it off.
Telling it that you have a metered connection will delay the installation of updates, until you say you are no longer on a metered one. If you want a more permanent solution (why?), see the links in this post.
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Tarm: 4. Windows Updates are apparently downloaded and installed automatically and I can't find a way to turn it off.
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JMich: Telling it that you have a metered connection will delay the installation of updates, until you say you are no longer on a metered one. If you want a more permanent solution (why?), see the links in this post.
Thank you!
I want to chose when to update windows because I might be in the middle of something that the update might break. I also have the experience that all kinds of programs bug out if there is a windows installation waiting for installation or for finishing it.

Edit. Apparently I need to log in for for links. Well that's a block.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by Tarm
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Tarm: I want to chose when to update windows because I might be in the middle of something that the update might break. I also have the experience that all kinds of programs bug out if there is a windows installation waiting for installation or for finishing it.
Choose metered connection then, no need to disable them. And you should be able to schedule when to restart, instead of having Windows restart immediately.

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Tarm: Edit. Apparently I need to log in for for links. Well that's a block.
Disabling script and updating script.
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Tarm: I want to chose when to update windows because I might be in the middle of something that the update might break. I also have the experience that all kinds of programs bug out if there is a windows installation waiting for installation or for finishing it.
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JMich: Choose metered connection then, no need to disable them. And you should be able to schedule when to restart, instead of having Windows restart immediately.

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Tarm: Edit. Apparently I need to log in for for links. Well that's a block.
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JMich: Disabling script and updating script.
Thank you again. I'll start with choosing a metered connection and see how it goes.
LOL. Running scripts to disable update. And MS fanboys were laughing at Linux geeks.
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OlivawR: LOL. Running scripts to disable update. And MS fanboys were laughing at Linux geeks.
Feel free to modify the needed registry key, or use Group Policy Editor instead. If those are too hard for you, or you are unsure of what you need to do, run the script above.
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OlivawR: LOL. Running scripts to disable update. And MS fanboys were laughing at Linux geeks.
To quote the world:

"Whines about automatic updates on Windows.
Installs every Linux update without even reading what it is."
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OlivawR: LOL. Running scripts to disable update. And MS fanboys were laughing at Linux geeks.
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Elenarie: To quote the world:

"Whines about automatic updates on Windows.
Installs every Linux update without even reading what it is."
Holy wars again? Keep your windows, stop trying to heat up the linux crowd just because of one simple and even unrelated joke.
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MrPopo: What's it like to think that you're worth spying on?
I dunno, what's it like to be so deluded that you think that nobody is spying on you? I think it's pretty well established that everybody is being spied on constantly when online. It greatly concerns me that people like you are deluded enough to think that just because they don't notice that it's not happening.

People like you are why we can't have any privacy and have to go to extreme lengths to maintain any semblance.
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OlivawR: LOL. Running scripts to disable update. And MS fanboys were laughing at Linux geeks.
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Elenarie: To quote the world:

"Whines about automatic updates on Windows.
Installs every Linux update without even reading what it is."
While this also might be true in the Linux world, I assure you that the % of people reading what they install on a Linux machine is way above of those on Windows. You also have a nice changelog with what was updated. Compared with KBXXXXXXXXX of Windows, install and trust us, updates on Linux are way ahead.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by OlivawR
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OlivawR: LOL. Running scripts to disable update. And MS fanboys were laughing at Linux geeks.
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Elenarie: To quote the world:

"Whines about automatic updates on Windows.
Installs every Linux update without even reading what it is."
Those are completely different stances to take and you know it. It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that having things automatically update and then having to guess what might have broken the computer is the same as downloading all those updates, usually one at a time, and then finding that the latest one broke the computer.

Also, Linux doesn't exactly have the same record that MS does for breaking computers with updates. I'm sure it happens, but the way that updates are performed on Linux makes it less likely for things to just break randomly. And easier to fix if it does.
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immi101: but with that argument you could remove 50% of the system setting dialogs, right? I mean I have a neat dialog to change my prefered DNS server or set a WINS server manually , but a dialog to set my update options is discarded because it is too advanced?
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JMich: DNS and WINS addresses are needed much more often than the need to block updates. And while netsh is available, and quite useful if you need to do changes often, people still prefer to go with the network connection properties.
Should there come a time when the network interface is configured automatically, and changing it will cause problems more often than it will solve them, then yes, I do believe removing said dialogue would be the better choice. But with the current mess of IPv4 and IPv6, the changes are needed.
If you seriously believe this, I don't know what you're doing with your computer but it's not what 90% of people are doing with their computers.

It's become obvious that your use cases for PCs are pretty niche and your users likewise. That's fine, but you keep generalizing that to the wider range of Windows users and honey, you are wrong to do that.
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MrPopo: What's it like to think that you're worth spying on?
Why do you think anyone cares specifically about spying on individual people?

No one cares about spying on individual people. Everyone cares about recording everything they can get their hands on and feeding it into shopping recommendation AIs.

A company doesn't need to be targeting a specific user to be creepy and invasive. MS isn't trying to spy on any particular person, they're trying to spy on every single Windows users simultaneously. Gotta give them credit for the ambition, but I wish there'd been a bit more thought put into the ethical and security considerations.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by Gilozard