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All that's happened for me so far is that the Windows 10 icon has disappeared. Whether that means that it's immanent or what I don't know...
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Navagon: All that's happened for me so far is that the Windows 10 icon has disappeared. Whether that means that it's immanent or what I don't know...
It means, get yourself a weapon. Cortana is coming for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZMD_eCpEo
Post edited July 31, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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timppu: What are those changes, and why are they so important that it was a good idea to break backwards compatibility with them (regarding how Windows programs, including GOG games, group Start menu shortcuts in Windows 7 and earlier)?

If MS makes changes that break backwards compatibility, they better have a damn good reason to introduce those changes. How exactly do the changes benefit ME?
The guidelines have been there since Vista, but who gives a flip to look at them, right

Basically it is, if a game is compatible with Games Explorer, it doesn't create additional icons. No help files. No links to any online places. No uninstallers. No nested folders. Bunch other things. Check on MSDN.
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phaolo: Even worse then.
Your point of correcting an useless detail was.. ?
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JMich: The fact that you could stop the forced updates since mid May? So said forced updates were never actually forced? True, useless detail...
It's useless because you didn't read the rest.
Let me rephrase it, so you won't get distracted:
- normal users aren't already capable of disabling system update or choosing what to get. This new change is just an annoyance for no real advantage.
- a script needed to obtain something that was a simple option before = crap change.

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JMich: If you need to modify a setting that is not apparent at once, then it means you need to know what you are doing to have a need to modify it.[..]
Remember the half-open TCP connections thing back in Windows XP?
Eh in fact, that "hidden" TCP setting in XP was crap too.
Needing a script for a simple setting is always bulls**t.
I hoped that MS could make the new Windows easier to tweak than XP, not harder.
If something is dangerous to change (yeah, updates..), just add a warning.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by phaolo
I heard it sucks at the moment.
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phaolo: - normal users aren't already capable of disabling system update or choosing what to get.
Good. Best thing since sliced bread.
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Ghostbreed: I heard it sucks at the moment.
Well, might sucks but comes with fancy looking tiles, yay!
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phaolo: - normal users aren't already capable of disabling system update or choosing what to get.
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Elenarie: Good. Best thing since sliced bread.
^ another one who reads only the pieces that he likes and then ignores the rest of the argument..
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mike_cesara: Well, might sucks but comes with fancy looking tiles, yay!
Oh god. YES! Finally.
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Elenarie: Good. Best thing since sliced bread.
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phaolo: ^ another one who reads only the pieces that he likes and then ignores the rest of the argument..
Hey, we can't all be online geniuses. Some of us have to be simpleton software engineers with high quality education and degrees that don't understand anything.
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hedwards: That's not even remotely the same thing. When ti's a website that you have to opt into it's bad enough, when it's a OS that you're largely forced to use and subsequently have to opt out of, it's ridiculous.

People shouldn't have to be on the look out for these sorts of things, they should be able to trust that MS is going to do the right thing. But, then again, when has MS ever done the right thing? They're pretty much poster boys for abusive practices followed with little or no punishment.
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Elenarie: Come on, man. The OS provides the functionality to all MS accounts so that each app won't have to seprarately create a system like that. You an easily turn it off during the installation of the OS.
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Gilozard: but that can't really work with the OS.
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Elenarie: The OS has the management capabilities built-in.
The fact that it's already built in makes it a much easier hack than if it wasn't there to begin with. And if you choose the express install you don't even know they're putting spyware on your system by default.

Yes, I'd much prefer each application do it separately. It means that you've got the data split up over the apps rather than all being available when MS makes a programming mistake. Or just as bad, having the pipework there even if you didn't want it in the first place.

Such things have no place in an OS, it's bad enough that handhelds do that, there's even less reason to do that with a desktop.
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phaolo: ^ another one who reads only the pieces that he likes and then ignores the rest of the argument..
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Elenarie: Hey, we can't all be online geniuses. Some of us have to be simpleton software engineers with high quality education and degrees that don't understand anything.
Clearly, if you're defending the practice.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by hedwards
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phaolo: ^ another one who reads only the pieces that he likes and then ignores the rest of the argument..
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Elenarie: Hey, we can't all be online geniuses. Some of us have to be simpleton software engineers with high quality education and degrees that don't understand anything.
You don't need to be a genius to read a post correctly, neither have a degree.
Maybe you forgot that.
Post edited July 31, 2015 by phaolo
I saw this picture on twitter which underlines all the possible privacy issues while setting up Windows 10. I'm posting it here so it can be useful to pay attention with all those texts during installation:
https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg

Gonna install it today on one of my laptop as guinea pig....
What i've read and heard and seen, Windows 10 is a huge security and privacy dump. Your encryption keys for your drive are saved on a microsoft server, along with wifi settings, passwords, etc. Cortana becomes the Kinnect: Always on, always listening, always there, sending feedback (and potentially live VOIP) directly to Microsoft and possibly the NSA. Your messages, emails and other information is collected, windows, browser history, contact list, pretty much everything...

Honestly as it stands, i wouldn't touch Win10 with a 10 foot pole... or a 40 foot pole...

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catpower1980: ...
A number of those settings are worrying: You can turn it off temporarily, but don't worry we really know you meant to leave it on so we'll forcibly turn it back on for you...

Reminds me of Google+ when they were forcing it on you, every other day 'You should upgrade to Google+!' and if you said no they would say 'awww we'll ask again later because we know you really want Google+'...
Post edited July 31, 2015 by rtcvb32
What's it like to think that you're worth spying on?