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Posted July 30, 2015
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JMich: 1) MDL is not an obscure forum. It is the place for how MS stuff works.
2) The homebrew script is so people can press one button and be done with it. It doesn't do anything that the OS isn't already capable of doing. The only difference is that you have to go in "obscure" places like the registry, powershell and the policy editor to use them.
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Elenarie: Heh, imagine if people that called themselves power users or advanced users actually knew what PowerShell is, before opening their stupid mouths.
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cogadh: If the number it spits out is at or higher than 512, then you are still running into this problem. You'll need to go through the Start menu items found in C:\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and clean a few out.
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Elenarie: Seems a silly mistake if that is true. I don't see a reason why it would be a hardcoded value of 512, no types of that size come to mind. Something must have slipped while developing Start (since it is a completely new build in XAML unlike the one hardcoded in <10 versions). Bug is reported a bunch of times. Should be fixed in a future update.
So far, the entire Start menu is silly. Since it just arranges things alphabetically, regardless of the directory structure the actual shortcuts reside in, I now have about a dozen shortcuts grouped together that just say "DOSBox Configurator" with no indication as to what GOG game they might belong to. I'm in the process of manually adding the game titles to the config shortcuts so that they will get grouped with their game shortcut and actually become useful again. What a pain in the ass!
Posted July 30, 2015
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MikeMaximus: Yeah i'm not sure if that's the problem. I cleaned up the start menu folder in program data/microsoft/windows and ran the re-index and nothing seems to have changed. In fact, i'm still seeing stuff I deleted in the search and the start menu and a ton of stuff is still missing.
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cogadh: 1. Bring up the Start menu and search for Windows Powershell
2. Run Windows Powershell
3. Run the command "Get-StartApps | measure" (without the quotes) in the command window

If the number it spits out is at or higher than 512, then you are still running into this problem. You'll need to go through the Start menu items found in C:\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and clean a few out.
Yup I did exactly that. I'm down to 274. I guess i'l try one more index rebuild then just wait for the update that'll be coming down for it.
Posted July 30, 2015
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Martek: Yes! I've always been bemused by the "he's a total ass but he's good at what he does' argument. Doesn't sway me the slightest. The so-called "less qualified but more friendly one" is typically only slightly less-qualified, and a lot more friendly, IME. I'll take them any day (well - would and did - since I'm retired now).
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JMich: So if demeanor is more important than qualifications, why should I care if the guy that can't copy paste something is the world's greatest survival expert? I should care if he's the world's friendliest person, yet your argument was that I should care because of what skills he may have. Thus why I gave the skills example.
Either you're trying to bait me into a bullshit argument; or you just don't get it..

You're trying a simplistic demeanor == qualifications argument:

If qualifications = 10 then demeanor = 0

Or:

If qualifications = 8 then demeanor = 2

Or:

If qualifications = 2 then demeanor = 8

Or:

If qualifications = 0 then demeanor = 10


That's where you're trying to go (or baiting to get me to go).

It's just not like that - and not worth long drawn out debate. I posted my opinion - perhaps you disagree (don't really know - just see your debate and 'draw-me-out' attempts here - but not your position). Don't get all pseudo-mathematic about it (it's not a zero-sum thing).
Posted July 30, 2015
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kaileeena: ...
Facepalm.
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cogadh: So far, the entire Start menu is silly. Since it just arranges things alphabetically, regardless of the directory structure the actual shortcuts reside in, I now have about a dozen shortcuts grouped together that just say "DOSBox Configurator" with no indication as to what GOG game they might belong to. I'm in the process of manually adding the game titles to the config shortcuts so that they will get grouped with their game shortcut and actually become useful again. What a pain in the ass!
Might want to whine at GOG for that. Atm for example I have 2 shortcuts for Witcher 3, for no good reason. Not to mention an uninstaller shortcut whih should not exist there in the first place. Their installers are clearly NOT taking into account the changes introduced with 8 and 10.

But no, GOG are still doing this crap like we are back in 2001 and using XP.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by Elenarie
Posted July 30, 2015
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Gilozard: ...
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Elenarie: This is why we can't have nice things. Sigh. Literally everything you mentioned is use for machine learning and service improvement. Nobody, nobody gives a flying fuck about the actual contents.

By the way, almost everything you mentioned has been in Window since Windows XP called CEIP. It was on by default forever. With 8, 8.1, and 10, you have the possibility to customise what is mined.
I know that Windows Defender can be turned off in 7.

If Windows has had an uncontrollable keylogger since XP, a lot of Android-bashing PC users owe Google an apology.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by Gilozard
Posted July 30, 2015
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phaolo: - day1 script needed to obtain something that was simple before = crap change.
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JMich: Day -10 script to be exact, for disabling automatic updates. Registry entry was there from before, build 99xx from what I recall. Script to choose what to install is month -8.
Even worse then.
Your point of correcting an useless detail was.. ?

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Gilozard: I don't get why you think that rebuts the point? You seem to be missing what both phaolo and I are objecting to.
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JMich: If the user has need to disable automatic updates, he can disable them. [.. ]What is it that you are objecting to? That instead of clicking one button, you have to click more?
With that reasoning MS could block everything and you would still be fine lol.
You need a mouse? You'll have to download a script and run it. It's the same thing, no?
You want to change your background or sort files manually? Script! Why complaining?
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Post edited July 30, 2015 by phaolo
Posted July 30, 2015
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JMich: Day -10 script to be exact, for disabling automatic updates. Registry entry was there from before, build 99xx from what I recall. Script to choose what to install is month -8.
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phaolo: Even worse then.
Your point of correcting an useless detail was.. ?
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JMich: If the user has need to disable automatic updates, he can disable them. [.. ]What is it that you are objecting to? That instead of clicking one button, you have to click more?
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phaolo: With that reasoning MS could block everything and you would still be fine lol.
You need a mouse? You'll have to download a script and run it. It's the same thing, no?
You want to change your background or sort files manually? Script! Why complaining?
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There is a certian logic to that.

I mean, with Window 8/8.1, MS tried to foist full-screen and tiled apps on us as if they were the latest and greatest thing.

Why, we haven't seen that since, when? Windows 1.0 or 3.0 or something.

So, why not "you have to run scripts now - it's the latest greatest way to do things"?

/s
Posted July 30, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Well at least M$ will get an entry in the guiness book or world records for building the biggest botnet in human history.
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russellskanne: You're dead right....
"we'll turn it on automatically" is so scary O_o'
Are those screens a joke, right?
Post edited July 30, 2015 by phaolo
Posted July 30, 2015
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Martek: Don't get all pseudo-mathematic about it (it's not a zero-sum thing).
You are the one using math, not me. I'm asking you if "ignorant on one subject and qualified in another" is similar to "rude and qualified on a subject" and how. Or if it's totally different.
Posted July 30, 2015
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cogadh: So far, the entire Start menu is silly. Since it just arranges things alphabetically, regardless of the directory structure the actual shortcuts reside in, I now have about a dozen shortcuts grouped together that just say "DOSBox Configurator" with no indication as to what GOG game they might belong to. I'm in the process of manually adding the game titles to the config shortcuts so that they will get grouped with their game shortcut and actually become useful again. What a pain in the ass!
That sounds oddly the same as in Windows 8 at first. I recall having a bunch of identical "Manual" icons in Windows 8, with no indication for what applications they were. Apparently they were manual shortcuts for different GOG games, which in Windows 7 were grouped under the corresponding GOG game subfolders, but in Windows 8 they were just listed one after another.
Posted July 30, 2015
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JMich: Day -10 script to be exact, for disabling automatic updates. Registry entry was there from before, build 99xx from what I recall. Script to choose what to install is month -8.
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phaolo: Even worse then.
Your point of correcting an useless detail was.. ?
The fact that you could stop the forced updates since mid May? So said forced updates were never actually forced? True, useless detail...

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phaolo: With that reasoning MS could block everything and you would still be fine lol.
You need a mouse? You'll have to download a script and run it. It's the same thing, no?
You want to change your background or sort files manually? Script! Why complaining?
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See a few posts above. If you need to modify a setting that is not apparent at once, then it means you need to know what you are doing to have a need to modify it. Remember the half-open TCP connections thing back in Windows XP? Those could be modified, and some scripts did come out. People did accept that there was a reason for the existence of said limit (bandwidth saturation), but people that needed to change it could.
Forced updates are similar. Can be disabled, but you need to know what you are doing.
Posted July 31, 2015
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Elenarie: Might want to whine at GOG for that. Atm for example I have 2 shortcuts for Witcher 3, for no good reason. Not to mention an uninstaller shortcut whih should not exist there in the first place. Their installers are clearly NOT taking into account the changes introduced with 8 and 10.
What are those changes, and why are they so important that it was a good idea to break backwards compatibility with them (regarding how Windows programs, including GOG games, group Start menu shortcuts in Windows 7 and earlier)?

If MS makes changes that break backwards compatibility, they better have a damn good reason to introduce those changes. How exactly do the changes benefit ME?
Post edited July 31, 2015 by timppu
Posted July 31, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Well at least M$ will get an entry in the guiness book or world records for building the biggest botnet in human history.
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russellskanne: You're dead right....
So now its also privacy
It will never end
Windows users like myself will never be safe at the mercy of Microsoft
For me there is no future in windows
And I know I'm just postponing the inevitable
The problem is what alternative do I have
I don't trust the linux community to deliver a proper Linux distro for Windows users
And besides there is the alliance they make with Newell that shocks me

I have a legacy of 22 years of Windows and I can't simply throw that away and start from scratch
Posted July 31, 2015
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Martek: Don't get all pseudo-mathematic about it (it's not a zero-sum thing).
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JMich: You are the one using math, not me. I'm asking you if "ignorant on one subject and qualified in another" is similar to "rude and qualified on a subject" and how. Or if it's totally different.
Looking back, I believe my previous post answers my position adequately. You can figure it from that.
Posted July 31, 2015
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JMich: You are the one using math, not me. I'm asking you if "ignorant on one subject and qualified in another" is similar to "rude and qualified on a subject" and how. Or if it's totally different.
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Martek: Looking back, I believe my previous post answers my position adequately. You can figure it from that.
So totally different. Even if the subject one is ignorant on is etiquette.
Thank you.
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