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cogadh: On my fucking gawd, I finally figured out my start menu issues! Apparently, when MS was coding the new start menu, one of their idiot programmers decided that setting a limit on the number of shortcuts the menu will handle was a good idea. He/she set that limit at 512 items. My start menu, with all the game shortcuts I have installed (plus their accompanying uninstall, game manual, dev website, configuration app, etc. shortcuts) added up to 947 items. A little less than half my shortcuts were never going to appear in the start menu. After cleaning out a few shortcuts (110), now the one shortcut that started this whole thing (Steam) is finally available. Looks like I'll be spending the rest of the day picking through the rest of my shortcuts to get rid another 300 or so before the start menu is useful.
Are you sure that is the problem? People have had shortcuts not appear with way less than 100 of them in total. Please use the Feedback app and write the bug details.
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JMich: SSD? My mechanical drives still work, no need to upgrade.
Said no one ever after using an SSD for more than 1 minute. :D
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KingofGnG: Windows 10 IS a piece of shit. Jesus fucking Christ, are you really cool with a PC operating system that assign you a "unique advertising ID" to track the hell out of you? I'm not, and I won't, ever.
Please go away and stop spreading your bullshit.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by Elenarie
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Gilozard: I don't get why you think that rebuts the point? You seem to be missing what both phaolo and I are objecting to.
Let me put it this way.
If the user has need to disable automatic updates, he can disable them. If the user can't follow those simple instructions to disable automatic updates, the user doesn't need to disable them. The way to do so was posted way before Win10 was released, though judging from the GOG forum, few people were aware you could disable them.

So, to say it (once more). The "Forced updates" can be disabled. They could be disabled for quite some time, but people chose to ignore that option, while crying that the updates can't be disabled. What is it that you are objecting to? That instead of clicking one button, you have to click more?
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hedwards: That's not even remotely the same thing. When ti's a website that you have to opt into it's bad enough, when it's a OS that you're largely forced to use and subsequently have to opt out of, it's ridiculous.

People shouldn't have to be on the look out for these sorts of things, they should be able to trust that MS is going to do the right thing. But, then again, when has MS ever done the right thing? They're pretty much poster boys for abusive practices followed with little or no punishment.
Come on, man. The OS provides the functionality to all MS accounts so that each app won't have to seprarately create a system like that. You an easily turn it off during the installation of the OS.
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Gilozard: but that can't really work with the OS.
The OS has the management capabilities built-in.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by Elenarie
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Martek: Those so-called I.T. pros that denigrate their user-base like are fucking idiots and should be fired, IMHO.

Everyone has their specialties and things they are good and not good at.
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JMich: So if the IT is a specialist in the IT field, but a rude person, you will fire him to get a less qualified but more friendly one?
Yes! I've always been bemused by the "he's a total ass but he's good at what he does' argument. Doesn't sway me the slightest. The so-called "less qualified but more friendly one" is typically only slightly less-qualified, and a lot more friendly, IME. I'll take them any day (well - would and did - since I'm retired now).

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Martek: That man or woman that cannot (or is afraid to) "paste this into a file, save it as .bat, run it" might be an expert on surviving in the the wilderness. I know who I'd rather be with if I need survival - and it's not the fucktard "IT-guy" - I'll tell you.
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JMich: Will said person be expecting you to be able to "Chop wood, build a fire, light it" without you screwing it up? Or would he shake his head and belittle you if you couldn't perform something that simple (and yes, chopping wood and building a fire is simple)?
They might. There's assholes everywhere lol. But there's also good people everywhere. They might also be the one to teach you - and/or let you do what you're good at, etc. It isn't such a simple equation the may you wish to argue it for debate's sake.
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cogadh: On my fucking gawd, I finally figured out my start menu issues! Apparently, when MS was coding the new start menu, one of their idiot programmers decided that setting a limit on the number of shortcuts the menu will handle was a good idea. He/she set that limit at 512 items. My start menu, with all the game shortcuts I have installed (plus their accompanying uninstall, game manual, dev website, configuration app, etc. shortcuts) added up to 947 items. A little less than half my shortcuts were never going to appear in the start menu. After cleaning out a few shortcuts (110), now the one shortcut that started this whole thing (Steam) is finally available. Looks like I'll be spending the rest of the day picking through the rest of my shortcuts to get rid another 300 or so before the start menu is useful.
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Elenarie: Are you sure that is the problem? People have had shortcuts not appear with way less than 100 of them in total. Please use the Feedback app and write the bug details.
I am certain that is the problem, it is already logged as a bug and MS is supposedly working on a fix:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_desktop/some-win32-apps-missing-from-start-menu-all/b41f1f57-5af3-468d-896f-bd283aa6cfdf?auth=1

http://www.itproportal.com/2015/07/30/windows-10-start-menu-has-a-bug/

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/07/windows-10-start-menu-breaks-with-more-than-512-apps/

Those are just the first three search results about it.
I'm reading through those setting screens. For those who can't load large images:

* Wi-Fi Sense: Give your network password to all your Facebook friends! Log in to their networks automatically too!

* Cortana: We know this one already, but it's still potentially creepy. At least it can be turned off, unlike some of this stuff.

* Feedback: NO OPT OUT. You can only choose to send limited data, and even that MS claims will 'disable certain apps and degrades your experience'. Even a privacy-conscious user could be frightened off by that language.

* Windows Defender: NO OPT OUT. "You can turn this off temporarily but if it's off for a while we'll turn it back on automatically"

* No options to control WIndows Updates: We knew this already, but it bears repeating.

* Start menu will suggest content and apps: Don't know exactly what this does.

* Service that shares your browsing history and keystrokes: NO OPT OUT. MS just flat out does not let people turn their keylogger off.

* Diagnostic and usage data: NO OPT OUT. Opting out requires the Enterprise edition and a non-intuitive configuration, and you simply can't turn it all the way off. "Some diagnostic data is vital to the operation of WIndows and cannot be turned off if you use Windows"

Usage data is specifically collected with the goal of "help us recognize an individual user on an individual device". It includes:
a) Configuration data - basically everything about your hardware
b) Software installed on the device
c) Performance data - what you run and how fast it is
d) App use: what you run including 3rd party programs, how long you use it, what data it accesses, what features you use - basically, anything you do on a PC.
e) Network data: network identifying information, your IP address, etc.
f) Other devices: collects data on other devices connected to your computer.

* Windows location service: About the same as other location services


Guys, not even Google does all of this stuff. All together, this is worse than Android.

If you advocate for Win10 but complain about Android and Google spying, I'll probably laugh in your face.
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cogadh: On my fucking gawd, I finally figured out my start menu issues! Apparently, when MS was coding the new start menu, one of their idiot programmers decided that setting a limit on the number of shortcuts the menu will handle was a good idea. He/she set that limit at 512 items. My start menu, with all the game shortcuts I have installed (plus their accompanying uninstall, game manual, dev website, configuration app, etc. shortcuts) added up to 947 items. A little less than half my shortcuts were never going to appear in the start menu. After cleaning out a few shortcuts (110), now the one shortcut that started this whole thing (Steam) is finally available. Looks like I'll be spending the rest of the day picking through the rest of my shortcuts to get rid another 300 or so before the start menu is useful.
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Elenarie: Are you sure that is the problem? People have had shortcuts not appear with way less than 100 of them in total. Please use the Feedback app and write the bug details.
Yeah i'm not sure if that's the problem. I cleaned up the start menu folder in program data/microsoft/windows and ran the re-index and nothing seems to have changed. In fact, i'm still seeing stuff I deleted in the search and the start menu and a ton of stuff is still missing.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by MikeMaximus
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Gilozard: I don't get why you think that rebuts the point? You seem to be missing what both phaolo and I are objecting to.
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JMich: Let me put it this way.
If the user has need to disable automatic updates, he can disable them. If the user can't follow those simple instructions to disable automatic updates, the user doesn't need to disable them. The way to do so was posted way before Win10 was released, though judging from the GOG forum, few people were aware you could disable them.

So, to say it (once more). The "Forced updates" can be disabled. They could be disabled for quite some time, but people chose to ignore that option, while crying that the updates can't be disabled. What is it that you are objecting to? That instead of clicking one button, you have to click more?
So you really don't see the difference between an OS feature and a user-made homebrew script hidden in an obscure forum? OK then, I guess we don't have anywhere to take this discussion.
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Martek: ...
If only idiots like that could also be banned from posting their crap on the Internet and spreading it to others. For us that are in IT, they really make our jobs billion times more difficult.

If this was in the medical department, they would be called retards and pretty much be banned from ever talking or doing anything about medicine. I would love if it would be this way in IT as well.
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cogadh: ...
"Why is there no "This answer was as useful as cancer" next to the "Helpful" button? :("

Brilliant! :D
Post edited July 30, 2015 by Elenarie
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Martek: Yes! I've always been bemused by the "he's a total ass but he's good at what he does' argument. Doesn't sway me the slightest. The so-called "less qualified but more friendly one" is typically only slightly less-qualified, and a lot more friendly, IME. I'll take them any day (well - would and did - since I'm retired now).
So if demeanor is more important than qualifications, why should I care if the guy that can't copy paste something is the world's greatest survival expert? I should care if he's the world's friendliest person, yet your argument was that I should care because of what skills he may have. Thus why I gave the skills example.
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Gilozard: ...
This is why we can't have nice things. Sigh. Literally everything you mentioned is use for machine learning and service improvement. Nobody, nobody gives a flying fuck about the actual contents.

By the way, almost everything you mentioned has been in Window since Windows XP called CEIP. It was on by default forever. With 8, 8.1, and 10, you have the possibility to customise what is mined.
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Gilozard: So you really don't see the difference between an OS feature and a user-made homebrew script hidden in an obscure forum? OK then, I guess we don't have anywhere to take this discussion.
1) MDL is not an obscure forum. It is the place for how MS stuff works.
2) The homebrew script is so people can press one button and be done with it. It doesn't do anything that the OS isn't already capable of doing. The only difference is that you have to go in "obscure" places like the registry, powershell and the policy editor to use them.
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Elenarie: Are you sure that is the problem? People have had shortcuts not appear with way less than 100 of them in total. Please use the Feedback app and write the bug details.
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MikeMaximus: Yeah i'm not sure if that's the problem. I cleaned up the start menu folder in program data/microsoft/windows and ran the re-index and nothing seems to have changed. In fact, i'm still seeing stuff I deleted in the search and the start menu and a ton of stuff is still missing.
1. Bring up the Start menu and search for Windows Powershell
2. Run Windows Powershell
3. Run the command "Get-StartApps | measure" (without the quotes) in the command window

If the number it spits out is at or higher than 512, then you are still running into this problem. You'll need to go through the Start menu items found in C:\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and clean a few out.
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JMich: 1) MDL is not an obscure forum. It is the place for how MS stuff works.
2) The homebrew script is so people can press one button and be done with it. It doesn't do anything that the OS isn't already capable of doing. The only difference is that you have to go in "obscure" places like the registry, powershell and the policy editor to use them.
Heh, imagine if people that called themselves power users or advanced users actually knew what PowerShell is, before opening their stupid mouths.
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cogadh: If the number it spits out is at or higher than 512, then you are still running into this problem. You'll need to go through the Start menu items found in C:\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and clean a few out.
Seems a silly mistake if that is true. I don't see a reason why it would be a hardcoded value of 512, no types of that size come to mind. Something must have slipped while developing Start (since it is a completely new build in XAML unlike the one hardcoded in <10 versions). Bug is reported a bunch of times. Should be fixed in a future update.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by Elenarie
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Gilozard: ...
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Elenarie: This is why we can't have nice things. Sigh. Literally everything you mentioned is use for machine learning and service improvement. Nobody, nobody gives a flying fuck about the actual contents.

By the way, almost everything you mentioned has been in Window since Windows XP called CEIP. It was on by default forever. With 8, 8.1, and 10, you have the possibility to customise what is mined.
Can you please stop spreading wrong information. CEIP is optional and by default its off unless you are an idiot who just presses yes without reading what is said: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee126127%28v=ws.10%29.aspx

Secondly if having nice things means someone tracking my every activity then I would rather not having nice things, you might be ok with it but that doesn't mean it is ok to be forced on others cause you think its fine. I am ok with any company giving enough information up front on their activities and giving customers full control how they use them but deciding to hide them in 30 pages long agreements or doing it Google style is unacceptable.

I think i will continue using my Win7 until MS gets its act together or until 2020 and switch to Linux.