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Posted June 24, 2016
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vahak11: I want GOG to be huge, maybe even better than steam, steam thinks it can get away with anything.
I really don't think they ever will be, though.
I know I keep sounding like a pessimist whenever I say this, but come on: Does anybody REALLY think that Steam would let anybody try to touch their position now that they're at the top?
I honestly suspect that if GOG got big enough, Steam would just buy them out. And I'm not sure GOG makes enough money that they could refuse that kind of deal and get to Steam's same popularity level.
Posted June 24, 2016
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vahak11: I started playing a few weeks ago... You're saying i installed a cheat then deleted the cheat? Oh im sorry, am i getting in the way of you belief that machines are perfect?
Nothing quite so idealistic. More a belief reinforced by the endless stream of 'Vac banned for no reason!' on the Steam VAC forums which a lot of the time gets proven false very quickly.

Yes, VAC makes mistakes. Once in a blue moon, and they tend to get reversed fairly fast when they happen (since those mistakes rarely only affect a couple of people). Most of the time, it does exactly what it's supposed to. Detect specific known cheat signatures/hooks running on your computer while you're on a VAC enabled server, and banning you for it at some random point after it caught you.

What does happen all the time is VAC banned cheaters pretending to be clueless about why they got banned.
Post edited June 24, 2016 by Pheace
Posted June 24, 2016
If GOG wanted to be huge, it'd need a good majority of AAA games here. The gaming mass loves those games, they can sell a ton. If Steam customers got burned too badly by Steam's policies and decided to come here they'd want those games here too. They'd whine that GOG is good, but it'd be so much better with AAA game x, y, z that comes with DRM on them. Plenty of gamers would come here ignorant of the fact that this store has a "mission statement" to bring DRM-free games to their customers. Those gamers would have followed friends on the next big gaming platform, or they'd want better policies (but not necessarily the DRM-free one).The pressure would get bigger to ditch their (GOG's) DRM-free stance and get more AAA games here. Steam's population would be louder than the DRM-free population that's here now. And at some point there's every possibility that DRM-free could become a drag for GOG and they'd change their stance (especially if there's changes in the employees working there).

As an aside GOG is competing with Steam, maybe not at the level you wish them to, but they're selling the same goods. They are taking part of Steam's market (mostly the part that prefers DRM-free or older games), albeit a very small part. I personally don't really want them to be as huge as Steam or to compete at the level you want them to compete in. Mostly because to me it equates to letting go of DRM-free and I'm not for that. I don't mind them getting "huge" if they offer DRM-free. I'm not against them making profit, being able to pay their employees, expand their business and bring us more games. I'm against DRM.

That was my DRM-free love letter. And it's not even Valentine's Day.
Posted June 24, 2016
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metricfun: If GOG wanted to be huge, it'd need a good majority of AAA games here. The gaming mass loves those games, they can sell a ton. If Steam customers got burned too badly by Steam's policies and decided to come here they'd want those games here too. They'd whine that GOG is good, but it'd be so much better with AAA game x, y, z that comes with DRM on them. Plenty of gamers would come here ignorant of the fact that this store has a "mission statement" to bring DRM-free games to their customers. Those gamers would have followed friends on the next big gaming platform, or they'd want better policies (but not necessarily the DRM-free one).The pressure would get bigger to ditch their (GOG's) DRM-free stance and get more AAA games here. Steam's population would be louder than the DRM-free population that's here now. And at some point there's every possibility that DRM-free could become a drag for GOG and they'd change their stance (especially if there's changes in the employees working there).

As an aside GOG is competing with Steam, maybe not at the level you wish them to, but they're selling the same goods. They are taking part of Steam's market (mostly the part that prefers DRM-free or older games), albeit a very small part. I personally don't really want them to be as huge as Steam or to compete at the level you want them to compete in. Mostly because to me it equates to letting go of DRM-free and I'm not for that. I don't mind them getting "huge" if they offer DRM-free. I'm not against them making profit, being able to pay their employees, expand their business and bring us more games. I'm against DRM.

That was my DRM-free love letter. And it's not even Valentine's Day.
You said exactly what I was thinking, but in a much better way than I could.
Most people don't care or even KNOW what DRM is. A lot of people on this forum seem to somehow forget how slim of a minority we are of the gaming market.
Getting AAA games here would probably increase popularity, but the issue is just that: Actually getting AAA games here. I'm not sure how they'd get the publishers to quite agree to that one.
Posted June 24, 2016
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vahak11: Do you think so?
For me GOG not just can compete with Steam, but already won. I don't have an account on Steam, but i have one on GOG. Few more DRM scandals like with some previous systems and, i think, GOG will get many customers migrating from Steam or Origin.
Posted June 24, 2016
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vahak11: Do you think so?
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Andrey82: For me GOG not just can compete with Steam, but already won. I don't have an account on Steam, but i have one on GOG. Few more DRM scandals like with some previous systems and, i think, GOG will get many customers migrating from Steam or Origin.
I would love to agree with you but, and this does sound totally insane, I occasionally hit forums where they condemn for GOG and praise Steam because of their respective policies for DRM. There are a lot of folks who think it adds a level of security (pardon the pun) to their collections. You'd be amazed at some of the shit I read about how GOG is no more than a den of hackers and thieves. Clearly these people are insane but they do exists, and there are evidently a lot of them.
Posted June 24, 2016
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zeogold: Most people don't care or even KNOW what DRM is. A lot of people on this forum seem to somehow forget how slim of a minority we are of the gaming market.
Getting AAA games here would probably increase popularity, but the issue is just that: Actually getting AAA games here. I'm not sure how they'd get the publishers to quite agree to that one.
Right now if a AAA developper / publisher shows interest in bringing a game here they have to contend with GOG asking them to make it DRM-free, and GOG pointing to us saying that's exactly what we want. If GOG turns to their customer and hear "I don't care about DRM-free" and the developpers / publishers also sees that the customer doesn't care, it becomes more difficult for GOG to stand their ground and demand DRM-free.I don't think a majority of people care about DRM, they might if / when Steam, Netflix or Apple's store shuts down.
Posted June 24, 2016
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Andrey82: For me GOG not just can compete with Steam, but already won. I don't have an account on Steam, but i have one on GOG. Few more DRM scandals like with some previous systems and, i think, GOG will get many customers migrating from Steam or Origin.
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tinyE: I would love to agree with you but, and this does sound totally insane, I occasionally hit forums where they condemn for GOG and praise Steam because of their respective policies for DRM. There are a lot of folks who think it adds a level of security (pardon the pun) to their collections. You'd be amazed at some of the shit I read about how GOG is no more than a den of hackers and thieves. Clearly these people are insane but they do exists, and there are evidently a lot of them.
They have a point. Lack of DRM makes it easy to pirate a game.
We don't do it because we're decent people, but as you can tell by looking at the history of any city that has a drastic increase in population, the more people arrive, the more the crime rate goes up. WE might not pirate, but that's no guarantee that somebody else won't. Or that somebody who doesn't even use the forum isn't doing it already.
Posted June 24, 2016
Oh, how surprising ! A GOG/steam thread and all the usuals steamers are out in force whiteknighting their heroes.

If you are looking for a competitor on the steam FPS market with GOG, aside the old FPSes, you won't find much of anything here I think.
Posted June 25, 2016
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tinyE: I would love to agree with you but, and this does sound totally insane, I occasionally hit forums where they condemn for GOG and praise Steam because of their respective policies for DRM. There are a lot of folks who think it adds a level of security (pardon the pun) to their collections. You'd be amazed at some of the shit I read about how GOG is no more than a den of hackers and thieves. Clearly these people are insane but they do exists, and there are evidently a lot of them.
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zeogold: They have a point. Lack of DRM makes it easy to pirate a game.
We don't do it because we're decent people, but as you can tell by looking at the history of any city that has a drastic increase in population, the more people arrive, the more the crime rate goes up. WE might not pirate, but that's no guarantee that somebody else won't. Or that somebody who doesn't even use the forum isn't doing it already.
I don't know that anything really helps. You may have a point but don't forget when Diablo 3 was released. It was cracked almost immediately, the servers were jammed, and what happened was the people who went out, bought a copy, and waded through the DRM were the only ones who couldn't play it.
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MacArthur: all the usuals steamers are out in force whiteknighting their heroes.
Where? :P
I've gone over every post in the is thread twice and I don't see one Steam Fanboy in here.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by tinyE
Posted June 25, 2016
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zeogold: Most people don't care or even KNOW what DRM is. A lot of people on this forum seem to somehow forget how slim of a minority we are of the gaming market.
Getting AAA games here would probably increase popularity, but the issue is just that: Actually getting AAA games here. I'm not sure how they'd get the publishers to quite agree to that one.
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metricfun: Right now if a AAA developper / publisher shows interest in bringing a game here they have to contend with GOG asking them to make it DRM-free, and GOG pointing to us saying that's exactly what we want. If GOG turns to their customer and hear "I don't care about DRM-free" and the developpers / publishers also sees that the customer doesn't care, it becomes more difficult for GOG to stand their ground and demand DRM-free.I don't think a majority of people care about DRM, they might if / when Steam, Netflix or Apple's store shuts down.
Exactly. Most AAA publishers don't want their latest and greatest game to be DRM-free partly due to the pirating scare and partly because nobody cares and Steam is the biggest and most lucrative outlet.
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zeogold: They have a point. Lack of DRM makes it easy to pirate a game.
We don't do it because we're decent people, but as you can tell by looking at the history of any city that has a drastic increase in population, the more people arrive, the more the crime rate goes up. WE might not pirate, but that's no guarantee that somebody else won't. Or that somebody who doesn't even use the forum isn't doing it already.
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tinyE: I don't know that anything really helps. You may have a point but don't forget when Diablo 3 was released. It was cracked almost immediately, the servers were jammed, and what happened was the people who went out, bought a copy, and waded through the DRM were the only ones who couldn't play it.
Yeah, but that's one example that's barely indicative of the majority. Much like being on the forum might give you the delusion that the whole internet is anti-DRM.
Plus, I'm going to assume that people could play it just fine when the company put out a fix.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
Posted June 25, 2016
The problem with talking to zeo is that you actually have to read his posts. :P I've been arguing in another thread all day with people who's idea of a solid retort is obscene drivel. :P It's an adjustment conversing with someone who actually has something solid and well thought out to say. XD
Posted June 25, 2016
Sure it will. Just as soon as it gets its new mech warrior battle chassis and auto targeting software installed. Then our GOG-Zoid Battle Bot will be inconceivable!
Posted June 25, 2016
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tinyE: The problem with talking to zeo is that you actually have to read his posts. :P I've been arguing in another thread all day with people who's idea of a solid retort is obscene drivel. :P It's an adjustment conversing with someone who actually has something solid and well thought out to say. XD
You say this, yet you fail to take into proper account the converse theory of the fact that yo momma's so dumb, she stared at a can of orange juice for half an hour because it said "concentrate".
Posted June 25, 2016
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zeogold: They have a point. Lack of DRM makes it easy to pirate a game.
I visited now a few torrent trackers and sites: a lot of new releases of games from Steam with their DRM. :) So, there is no real difference of pirating games with or without DRM. Also, i must note:

Witcher 3 - 10 millions copies sold - no DRM.
MGS5 - 6 millions copies sold - Denuvo v2 DRM.
Rise of the Tomb Raider - 2,5 millions copies sold - Denuvo v3 DRM.
Dragon Age Inquisition - less than 3 millions copies sold - Denuvo v2 DRM.

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