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They did it with The Wheel of time series
will lotr be the next?
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No previously good franchise will ever be improved by corporations or Hollywood ever again. Mind you, this is not some political statement about "woke" or whatever you guys like to go on about; I am strictly saying in terms of profit-seeking and the corresponding low effort, least common denominator "focus-group filmmaking." I would say film got beyond a point of no return in this way somewhere in the early 2010s and TV took a bit to catch up but now is probably not far behind, at least when it comes to material put out by big corporations (Netflix, Amazon, etc). For that matter, it is practically a miracle we had the LotR films at the time we did as the auteur era of Hollywood film was already a few decades removed.
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Instead of creating something original and their own, they would rather adapt classics to their skewed modern standards. Honestly, it is obvious now that globalism aims to destroy anything traditional, old and conservative with their skewed modernized versions. I swear, all of this is straight out of George Orwell's book.
Post edited January 06, 2022 by Snowslinger
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rjbuffchix: No previously good franchise will ever be improved by corporations or Hollywood ever again. Mind you, this is not some political statement about "woke" or whatever you guys like to go on about; I am strictly saying in terms of profit-seeking and the corresponding low effort, least common denominator "focus-group filmmaking." I would say film got beyond a point of no return in this way somewhere in the early 2010s and TV took a bit to catch up but now is probably not far behind, at least when it comes to material put out by big corporations (Netflix, Amazon, etc). For that matter, it is practically a miracle we had the LotR films at the time we did as the auteur era of Hollywood film was already a few decades removed.
yeah probably , but there are a few nice ones like Expanse
i bet lotr movies made today would be total fail
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I don’t know, but Bezos would make a great Gollum…

I can’t imagine it will be anything other than bad. Oh look, go for has just got an arms delivery, comes in Amazon prime boxes!

Edit: there is a whole story here if you think about it. Zuckerburg guest stars as the witch king, the pallid skinned dead eyed nether king trying to suck the soul out of the world. The pecs could be “celebrities”, all bloated in unusual places and garishly painted, mindlessly following orders.
Post edited January 06, 2022 by nightcraw1er.488
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If you mean "will amazon make a shitty, worthless show with no understanding of the source material to cash in on the popular title" then the answer is "yes, obviously".

But will that somehow "ruin" Lord of the Rings? No. Not any more than the "Shadow of Mordor" games did. The books, and even to a degree the movie trilogy, stand tall as masterpieces beloved by generations, deeply ingrained in art and popular culture. A crappy streaming show, likely indistinguishable from Wheel of Time and the Netflix Witcher, it will come and go barely leaving any mark in the long run.
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Breja: If you mean "will amazon make a shitty, worthless show with no understanding of the source material to cash in on the popular title" then the answer is "yes, obviously".

But will that somehow "ruin" Lord of the Rings? No. Not any more than the "Shadow of Mordor" games did. The books, and even to a degree the movie trilogy, stand tall as masterpieces beloved by generations, deeply ingrained in art and popular culture. A crappy streaming show, likely indistinguishable from Wheel of Time and the Netflix Witcher, it will come and go barely leaving any mark in the long run.
Breja said exactly what I think so I am just going to say

^THIS
It will not be good.

The current state of Hollywood -- and by extension corporate behemoth streamers -- does not value perspective... which Tolkien certainly had. Modern Hollywood doesn't want Tolkien's themes, inspirations, or perspectives. It demands political diatribes that "subvert expectations"... the post-modern excuse for poor storytelling. They cannot wait to write "their own story" as if it were Tolkien (something they've tried with Star Wars among others)... the eternal hubris of the shills who truly have nothing to say.

The good thing?

No one will remember this series after it airs. Lost in the memory hole t-minus 3 years.
Post edited January 06, 2022 by kai2
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Orkhepaj: They did it with The Wheel of time series
will lotr be the next?
I haven't watch it or even released yet, but... Yeah, probably will be terrible.
1 Billon budget with 0 soul, just a market reserch and some fan service to leave everybody happy, a black asian bisexual Gandalf cause "woke", definitively some sex scenes between Sam and Frodo (they were really close on Jackson version), a totally new woman character for the Fellowship of the Ring because too much male, the same story told again but worse, some flashy CGI combat scenes with CGI backgrounds and CGI particle effects, extend for 9 seasons and cancel in the third season.
Post edited January 06, 2022 by Ruvika
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Breja: If you mean "will amazon make a shitty, worthless show with no understanding of the source material to cash in on the popular title" then the answer is "yes, obviously".

But will that somehow "ruin" Lord of the Rings? No. Not any more than the "Shadow of Mordor" games did. The books, and even to a degree the movie trilogy, stand tall as masterpieces beloved by generations, deeply ingrained in art and popular culture. A crappy streaming show, likely indistinguishable from Wheel of Time and the Netflix Witcher, it will come and go barely leaving any mark in the long run.
hope so , are those Shadow games bad?
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Ruvika: the same story told again
They're not adapting LoTR, supposedly they're doing a different story set in the Second Age. I'm not sure if that's better or worse. It's bound to be 100% unrecognisable as anything Tolkien-related.

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Orkhepaj: hope so , are those Shadow games bad?
I guess that depends on how much you care about Tolkien's work, or to what degree you can ignore the supposed connection. In terms of gameplay Shadow of Mordor is an ok "Assassin's Creed with orcs". But everything, the story, the backstory, the characters, the lore and the themes, is just wrong. It's the perfect example of Middle-Earth being used as a generic fantasy setting for marketing purposes with no understanding of Tolkien's sources, intentions, themes, worldbuilding...

Even the way combat works and the main character moves, doing somersaults around orcs and whizzing around the battlefield like it's Arkham Asylum, like everyone is an acrobat and swords and armor weigh nothing, feels wrong for this setting.
Post edited January 06, 2022 by Breja
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Orkhepaj: hope so , are those Shadow games bad?
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Breja: I guess that depends on how much you care about Tolkien's work, or to what degree you can ignore the supposed connection. In terms of gameplay Shadow of Mordor is an ok "Assassin's Creed with orcs". But everything, the story, the backstory, the characters, the lore and the themes, is just wrong. It's the perfect example of Middle-Earth being used as a generic fantasy setting for marketing purposes with no understanding of Tolkien's sources, intentions, themes, worldbuilding...

Even the way combat works and the main character moves, doing somersaults around orcs and whizzing around the battlefield like it's Arkham Asylum, like everyone is an acrobat and swords and armor weigh nothing, feels wrong for this setting.
good to know i take it off from interested list
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Orkhepaj: They did it with The Wheel of time series
will lotr be the next?
More than likely.

Expect very little to even link it to the tales of Middle Earth other than names. Expect modern sensibilities to pollute it thoroughly, diluting whatever underlying morals and messages Tolkien originally wrote into them. Remember sexy Shelob in the Shadow of War game? Yeah, I'd expect stuff like that.

Who knows though! Could be amazing in the end.
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Breja: I guess that depends on how much you care about Tolkien's work, or to what degree you can ignore the supposed connection. In terms of gameplay Shadow of Mordor is an ok "Assassin's Creed with orcs". But everything, the story, the backstory, the characters, the lore and the themes, is just wrong. It's the perfect example of Middle-Earth being used as a generic fantasy setting for marketing purposes with no understanding of Tolkien's sources, intentions, themes, worldbuilding...

Even the way combat works and the main character moves, doing somersaults around orcs and whizzing around the battlefield like it's Arkham Asylum, like everyone is an acrobat and swords and armor weigh nothing, feels wrong for this setting.
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Orkhepaj: good to know i take it off from interested list
The shadow of games are good games. Its just in terms of lore, they are really bad with both games breaking canon. If you treat them like the Force Unleashed games for Star Wars (as non canon entries to the series), they are fine and pretty fun games.

Im not going to just say the LotR series will be bad but 90% probably. The only good franchise we have gotten from a sea of remakes and sequels to beloved franchises is Cobra Kai for the karate kid. Everything else has missed the mark, some worse than others (Star Wars, Song of Ice and Fire). Im not even talking lore, just basic storytelling. Its like Hollywood has forgotten how to tell a good story.
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It is not that bad, right?! I mean, how many versions of the song 'The LionKing' exist? Every artist sings in their own manner. Movies and series are just as much the same.