Which is how it should be, unless you're trying to fool and manipulate people.

op has an agenda

teh end.

Not that religions ever tried to do that!

All hierarchies do that: governments, religions, corporations, you name it. As far as I'm concerned, they've all worn out their welcome. Like the mother-in-law that comes for a visit and never leaves. o.O

Ahh, that comparison seems quite fitting for this time of year! But we are getting dangerously close to breaking the forum rules.

Besides, regardless of my political opinion, I quite like the message of winter festivities. From both religious and capitalist/ consumer ideologies. I am looking forward to gifts from all my friends, whole two of them!

There are forum rules?

And? All you said is that we celebrate Jesus' birthday in the wrong season, not that there is any reason why the sale that originated from that celebration shouldn't be called that.
Only for those with the 'wrong' opinion.

Just like the extreme left and PC crowd? ;)

I'd rather have some of them around(to varying degrees) than absolute anarchy, though.

You know what your problem is? You're too positive! ;p

OK. One or two. ;p

same reason it's called the autumn/blackfriday sale and not the thanksgiving sale

Can I choose one? If so, then my vote is on Megacity One. ;)

Not quite. ;)

When the Romans finally arrived at trying the fancy new Middle Eastern religion i. e. Christianity, they already had a winter solstice celebration set up on December 25th. They were celebrating the Sun God on that date. When they converted, they just switched out the celebrations. Nothing to do with the date of Jesus' birth, which is entirely unknown. The date was fixed, the date belonged to Sol Invictus, they just slapped Christ's name on it.

I guess we can let Christians go about their heathen business on that date though.

Praise the Unconquered Sun!
Yeah, I know about Sol Invictus. And while it isn't certain that Christmas was assimilated celebration of solstice, I would say it's pretty likely.

More likely than my claim that Jesus was born in March. While I did hear in one Let's Drown Out that Jesus was born in March, information sounds pretty valid to me. That would make Big J. Pisces, and fish was the symbol early Christians used. But too fun to pass if you ask me.