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rjbuffchix: Haven't users in the other topic(s) already linked to a post from back then saying something like "GOG Downloader won't ever be intentionally removed"?
They never said that (if you are talking about this post : https://www.gog.com/forum/general/is_gog_downloader_still_supported_by_gog_or_are_they_scrapping_it/post3 ), they said that, as they update the infrastructure for Galaxy support, the downloader might be impacted, as in no longer working, and if that were to happen it wouldn't be intentional.

They never said, as least I am not aware of, that they would "never ever" disable it.
Post edited March 18, 2020 by Gersen
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rjbuffchix: Haven't users in the other topic(s) already linked to a post from back then saying something like "GOG Downloader won't ever be intentionally removed"?
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Gersen: They never said that (if you are talking about this post : https://www.gog.com/forum/general/is_gog_downloader_still_supported_by_gog_or_are_they_scrapping_it/post3 ), they said that, as they update the infrastructure for Galaxy support, the downloader might be impacted, as in no longer working, and if that were to happen it wouldn't be intentional.

They never said, as least I am not aware of, that they would "never ever" disable it.
so they didnt even write that? i knew i shouldnt believe what others write here
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rjbuffchix: Haven't users in the other topic(s) already linked to a post from back then saying something like "GOG Downloader won't ever be intentionally removed"?
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Gersen: They never said that (if you are talking about this post : https://www.gog.com/forum/general/is_gog_downloader_still_supported_by_gog_or_are_they_scrapping_it/post3 )...
That's the post I'm talking about but I think something is getting lost in translation here.

"We won't disable the GOG downloader on launch day, but we will no longer actively support it. The downloader may be affected as we continue updating our infrastructure, but we don't plan to disable it intentionally."
[emphasis mine]
Post edited March 18, 2020 by rjbuffchix
The answer to the why is : general assholery.

GOG.com wants to be Galaxy.com (expect the name change in a while). They want to be a client. They want galaxy to be mandatory, without looking like they're making it mandatory (oldest trick, make an alternative as impractical as possible, but still existing, so that you can still claim it's mathematically existing, merely discouraged and discouraging).

Because GOG has nothing to do with that sort of young cool fun company that old users have been familiar with. It's a very different company, with different people, different goals, different values. Also the userbase is not the same at all. It's as if an old reference newspaper had progressively realised that there's more money to be made through clickbaits and sensationnalist fake news as the public for these is much wider. Some idiots stay faithful to the name, the brand and the image of it that they forged long ago (it's called emotional investment, desinvestment gets harder after a while). Some people keep naively whining about news quality not staying the same. But the company doesn't give a damn about such values, as the thick of their clients consists now in people who don't give a damn either.

"GOG" (as the entity of, say, 8 years ago) doesn't exist. It's like a company that had gone bankrupt and got re-bought by another. it's another identity, with a slowly peeling mask, adressing other people. A different kind of customers. The steam/client/achievements crowd, basically. This client-based gaming universe which allows a company much more control over the "sold/rented" products, their usage, the social networking aspect of brand loyalty, etc. Products on a leash.

It's the opposite of the spirit of old GOG. It's what the first wave of GOG customers were identifying against. Asking "why" GOG suppressed progressively any convenient alternatives to Galaxy is exactly like asking Steam why they insist so much on their client. It's how this sort of companies do. It's only baffling to people who've been in denial too long, about the disappearance of "GOG".

It's time to readjust expectations. If you like GOG, you like Steam. If you don't like Steam, you don't like GOG. If you make a distinction between them, you're just fooled by an outdated logo.
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Telika: The answer to the why is : general assholery.

GOG.com wants to be Galaxy.com (expect the name change in a while). They want to be a client. They want galaxy to be mandatory, without looking like they're making it mandatory (oldest trick, make an alternative as impractical as possible, but still existing, so that you can still claim it's mathematically existing, merely discouraged and discouraging).

Because GOG has nothing to do with that sort of young cool fun company that old users have been familiar with. It's a very different company, with different people, different goals, different values. Also the userbase is not the same at all. It's as if an old reference newspaper had progressively realised that there's more money to be made through clickbaits and sensationnalist fake news as the public for these is much wider. Some idiots stay faithful to the name, the brand and the image of it that they forged long ago (it's called emotional investment, desinvestment gets harder after a while). Some people keep naively whining about news quality not staying the same. But the company doesn't give a damn about such values, as the thick of their clients consists now in people who don't give a damn either.

"GOG" (as the entity of, say, 8 years ago) doesn't exist. It's like a company that had gone bankrupt and got re-bought by another. it's another identity, with a slowly peeling mask, adressing other people. A different kind of customers. The steam/client/achievements crowd, basically. This client-based gaming universe which allows a company much more control over the "sold/rented" products, their usage, the social networking aspect of brand loyalty, etc. Products on a leash.

It's the opposite of the spirit of old GOG. It's what the first wave of GOG customers were identifying against. Asking "why" GOG suppressed progressively any convenient alternatives to Galaxy is exactly like asking Steam why they insist so much on their client. It's how this sort of companies do. It's only baffling to people who've been in denial too long, about the disappearance of "GOG".

It's time to readjust expectations. If you like GOG, you like Steam. If you don't like Steam, you don't like GOG. If you make a distinction between them, you're just fooled by an outdated logo.
Thanks for this excellently written and sobering post. It seems to me that not enough people see it as such an agenda at work. People aren't connecting the dots.

The reality that Downloader can be phased out due to being "outdated" or not used by enough users (GOG hasn't directly stated the latter as the reason), means that so can browser installers.

The staff response has been that DRM-free offline installers will not go away. When I asked if this was a tacit admission that having to use Galaxy would be DRM, no response yet.

So if they stay with that type of wording, I can certainly see a future where GOG keeps "offline installers"...but requires the user to download them via the Galaxy client.
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Telika:
Well said dude.

I wish it weren't so, but it does seem a lot like it. Even to someone like me who has only briefly been here (active). Also - what you said is strangely relevant to other topics/phenomena as well currently. Weird.

If only I could upvote your post...oh wait! I can.
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rjbuffchix: "We won't disable the GOG downloader on launch day, but we will no longer actively support it. The downloader may be affected as we continue updating our infrastructure, but we don't plan to disable it intentionally."
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It was dependent of the context they were mentioning, as in, as they were updating their infrastructure for Galaxy the didn't plan to disable it. They never said that they would "never ever" disable it later.
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rjbuffchix: "We won't disable the GOG downloader on launch day, but we will no longer actively support it. The downloader may be affected as we continue updating our infrastructure, but we don't plan to disable it intentionally."
[emphasis mine]
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Gersen: It was dependent of the context they were mentioning, as in, as they were updating their infrastructure for Galaxy the didn't plan to disable it. They never said that they would "never ever" disable it later.
Then why aren't they saying now in the present day that they had to get rid of Downloader in order to update Galaxy? Their reasons given in the "say goodbye to Downloader" topic don't indicate that. What's more, users have apparently found workarounds revealing Downloader does still work (for a new release too) but is simply "hidden".
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Fender_178: Yeah good luck with that because they can counter sue you for filing a frivolous lawsuit if you don't have a case to sue. Which in this case no one does.
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Orkhepaj: they cant , why wouldnt you have a case? they made a promise they didn't fulfill , the promise could be taken into your decision to purchase their product or not , clearly suable
Because you can't sue for broken promises for something they offer free of charge. Plus they are allowed to change their minds about the future of an application they offer.
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Orkhepaj: they cant , why wouldnt you have a case? they made a promise they didn't fulfill , the promise could be taken into your decision to purchase their product or not , clearly suable
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Fender_178: Because you can't sue for broken promises for something they offer free of charge. Plus they are allowed to change their minds about the future of an application they offer.
it is not free of charge it is part of the product and you paid for the product, yeah they are allowed to change what you can deny, they can only change if you are agreeing to the change, fe you buy win10 when ms says they will support it up to 2030 if they stop support at 2025 then they are suable
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Telika: The answer to the why is : general assholery.

GOG.com wants to be Galaxy.com (expect the name change in a while). They want to be a client. They want galaxy to be mandatory, without looking like they're making it mandatory (oldest trick, make an alternative as impractical as possible, but still existing, so that you can still claim it's mathematically existing, merely discouraged and discouraging).

Because GOG has nothing to do with that sort of young cool fun company that old users have been familiar with. It's a very different company, with different people, different goals, different values. Also the userbase is not the same at all. It's as if an old reference newspaper had progressively realised that there's more money to be made through clickbaits and sensationnalist fake news as the public for these is much wider. Some idiots stay faithful to the name, the brand and the image of it that they forged long ago (it's called emotional investment, desinvestment gets harder after a while). Some people keep naively whining about news quality not staying the same. But the company doesn't give a damn about such values, as the thick of their clients consists now in people who don't give a damn either.

"GOG" (as the entity of, say, 8 years ago) doesn't exist. It's like a company that had gone bankrupt and got re-bought by another. it's another identity, with a slowly peeling mask, adressing other people. A different kind of customers. The steam/client/achievements crowd, basically. This client-based gaming universe which allows a company much more control over the "sold/rented" products, their usage, the social networking aspect of brand loyalty, etc. Products on a leash.

It's the opposite of the spirit of old GOG. It's what the first wave of GOG customers were identifying against. Asking "why" GOG suppressed progressively any convenient alternatives to Galaxy is exactly like asking Steam why they insist so much on their client. It's how this sort of companies do. It's only baffling to people who've been in denial too long, about the disappearance of "GOG".

It's time to readjust expectations. If you like GOG, you like Steam. If you don't like Steam, you don't like GOG. If you make a distinction between them, you're just fooled by an outdated logo.
First of all thanks to everyone who comment on my topic, i really appreciate it.
Thanks for teika for this awesome text (i really like it).
I just really sad, they cut one client i like and use.
Gog downloader is a "utorrent" with original tittles, u can control download speed, put many tittles to download on same time, control the time, all this things on a minimal and clean client.
If they have the "offline installers" direct from site, why don't maintain a minimal program just for we resume/control the download speed.
This is really annoying for me.
I just want a good justification. Why cut an awesome feature withou replace it with a similar/better alternative?
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Telika: The answer to the why is : general assholery.

GOG.com wants to be Galaxy.com (expect the name change in a while). They want to be a client. They want galaxy to be mandatory, without looking like they're making it mandatory (oldest trick, make an alternative as impractical as possible, but still existing, so that you can still claim it's mathematically existing, merely discouraged and discouraging).

Because GOG has nothing to do with that sort of young cool fun company
..blaa blaa blaa on and on...

You know what you sound like? All those people years ago who claimed that because GOG.com said the site doesn't mean "Good Old Games" anymore, and GOG started offering also newer and indie games, that GOG will stop selling older classics. All that same whining how the "spirit" of Good Old Games has been lost and GOG doesn't care for its "original" user base anymore, blaa blaa blaa... Oh, all that whining and crying.

Well, did GOG stop selling older classics? No. They still knew many of their customers care also for older classics, so they have kept releasing them as well, along with newer and indie games. At the same time, they also lured more people in who wanted something beyond mere old MS-DOS games as well. People like me, for instance (after all, the original reason I came to GOG.com was to buy The Witcher 1-2 DRM-free).

Now read carefully. The reason they killed GOG Downloader is because it is a totally obsolete piece of software that doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever anymore. Using ANY resources on an obsolete application is a total waste. This is the way software companies work, they do not support and keep old obsolete software products on life support forever, no matter if there are still a few people who'd like to continue using it.

And no, I am not using Galaxy. Not because I hate it or I am in principle against it, but only because I don't feel I need to use it at this point. I am quite fine without it currently.
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Korphx: I just want a good justification. Why cut an awesome feature withou replace it with a similar/better alternative?
Again, because that's what the "good guys" would do. And that's not GOG. That's what GOG used to be (a small company built around some ideals and principles, which is not contradictory with being a business), so that's the slightly confusing part. Today's GOG is yesterday's GOG's "baddies".

The purpose is precisely to funnel people into a client. It's not a matter of GOG refusing to go out of their way to keep some lighter alternalive functionnal, it's GOG going out of their way to prevent a lighter alternative to stay finctionnal. Your desire is directly opposed to GOG's desire. Today's GOG is like Microsoft trying to discourage the use of any other browser than Explorer/Edge.

The justification is that it's more convenient, for any online shop, to have their customers dependant on one client software, fully controlled, bloated at will with whatever they want, social networking tools, statistical feedback tools, advertisement displays, anything useful to the company in the present or the future. This goes against the old customer mentality of just wanting an independant exe. This is not an unfortunate technical issue, or a matter for negociation. It's a clash of intents.

It's like saying "hey, please don't invade my country, because if you do, then I'll be invaded, and that's annoying". The invader's answer is "duh".
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timppu: Now read carefully. The reason they killed GOG Downloader is because it is a totally obsolete piece of software that doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever anymore. Using ANY resources on an obsolete application is a total waste. This is the way software companies work, they do not support and keep old obsolete software products on life support forever, no matter if there are still a few people who'd like to continue using it.
Please consider taking off your software developer hat and putting on a customer hat. Your reasoning is satisfactory to software developers, but not to customers. Customers are telling GOG that this tool DOES have purpose, for them, the customers. Is it a lot of customers, probably not, but a few long-time ones which are important to consider.

Moreover, the work of other users yesterday proved Downloader was not "totally obsolete". Users had apparently found workarounds despite the Downloader links being hidden on the gamepages (great use of resources doing that, btw). A user had even apparently found the "trick" worked on yesterday's new release. So you can stop with that lie.
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Telika: Today's GOG is yesterday's GOG's "baddies".

The purpose is precisely to funnel people into a client. It's not a matter of GOG refusing to go out of their way to keep some lighter alternalive functionnal, it's GOG going out of their way to prevent a lighter alternative to stay finctionnal. Your desire is directly opposed to GOG's desire. Today's GOG is like Microsoft trying to discourage the use of any other browser than Explorer/Edge.
What if anything can we do to get them to reverse course? No one in the mainstream cares one whit about DRM so there won't be any outcry like there was when a then-mod made a joke on Twitter. GOG is the only DRM-free store that sells big releases DRM-free. By big, I mean AA-AAA games. That is what I'm here for: the big releases, DRM-free. That does not appear forthcoming from itch, fireflower, etc.

I can grudgingly live with the lack of Downloader, even though GOG's inconsiderate (to customers) decision makes it more inconvenient (by design like you say) to download the games I bought here. You just know their next step is going to be filtering all installers through Galaxy and saying how they do offer the offline installers same as before, you just have to download them in Galaxy.

Why aren't more people seeing this.
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rjbuffchix: Why aren't more people seeing this.
Because we don't all fall prey to expecting the worst and wait for actual proof/signs of such.
Post edited March 19, 2020 by GameRager