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Posted February 14, 2022
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ChristophWr: They recommitted
GOG have committed (and recommitted) to alot of things in the past. (Forum upgrades, scrapping the rep system, more interaction with customers.) And we have not really seen massive strides there. You will soon learn to take what GOG says with a grain of salt.

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And even when they do actually get around to doing it, they usually manage to screw it up.
Post edited February 14, 2022 by RoboPond
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nightcraw1er.488: Try reading some of the posts on the subject. Some things from memory:
- through galaxy buy epic games, reduced chance f those games appearing on gog and promotes a drm storefront
- removes focus from offline installers
- provides a mechanism for telemetry, microtransactions, and drm. Clients are there for stores to lock in customers and milk them
- encourages lax computer use where the user feels no need to do anything themselves until it goes wrong
- replaces main game content and mechanics with “achievements”
- promotes reliance on internet (cloud saves) which reduces user control
- adds need for more system resources
- makes offline installers also reliant on galaxy dlls
- isn’t open source
- any cross platform
- offers nothing that cannot be done be done far better using other tools/processes other than next point
- makes multiplayer galaxy only
- will eventually lead to the removal of offline installers
- will become CDPrOnline, what it was always intended as
- promotes online only content, online gating

Not galaxy but clients in general, have been
- proprietarising and platform locking mods
- responsible for steams dominance and client lock-in for years
- responsible for most of the worst drm systems yet (GFWDead anyone?)
- fragmentation of the market with each store having its own one, sure galaxy tries to be a one client to rule them all, but it’s still nothing more than a shallow front

So in all, clients are far worse than drm which can be removed, the mentality and reasons why clients are there cannot. Most don’t even realise it, “duh, bruh I just posted to my twatterfeed my 150 clicks achievement”, whilst the companies behind them are walking off with tonnes of nice saleable data. Any reason to use clients other than forced platform specific multiplayer and fake achievements = none!

Edit: I forgot to add, since galaxy released on GOG, they have year on year gone downhill with endless “mistakes”, more and more controversies, locked content, removed functionality, ignored broken features, version parity, in fact everything has gone out of the window apart from galaxy. And it’s not all GOG, it’s CDPr behind it all, the EA wannabes with their always online gambling setup that cyberjunk was planned to be.
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ChristophWr: You can still install all the offline installers without the galaxy client i already did that and i don’t see any sign that offline installers aren’t the focus.I did download them in the past via the homepage and it’s much better and easier now
Really you can install gwent? Or cyberpunk with all content? And does the installers not contain galaxy dll files? It’s “easier” for you as now files are hidden away, deliberately. Ease of use should not be the focus, as evidenced by the lack of decent changelogs, options on downloading, proper compression options etc. they (and publishers) do not want offline installers as it means a further build and more effort, for a small percentage of the users, and eventually, thanks to people who “think it’s easier now and much better now” will eventually tip the balance in favour of dropping offline installers altogether.

Edit, odds on when mass downvoting starts? I mentioned galaxy and cyberjunk negatively so expect about an hour.
Post edited February 14, 2022 by nightcraw1er.488
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ChristophWr: Never had the feeling that gog is stepping away from its routes beside of the cyberpunk and hitman oopsie.Nobody is perfect and mistakes are a part of life.They recommitted to their strict drm free rules so let’s take their words and let actions speak
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nightcraw1er.488: You have only been here for a couple of years, ie he galaxy era. Why else would GOG need to put out a press release that they were refocusing on their core business? E wise they lost it over the last few years. It’s not just those two, it’s quite a few more, and it’ a “mistake”, how many times before it becomes a process trying to push something, e she’s whatever the number we are well past it. Yes, we will see what actions come, so far all we see is some more filter options and no support, so if you see that as improvement…
I agree on that and i dont want to defend things which are wrong.They disappointed me as well with cyberpunk but on the other hand everything has its downsides and nothing is perfect.Like i said il take their words and if they are doing better from now on i think people will calm down again
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ChristophWr: You can still install all the offline installers without the galaxy client i already did that and i don’t see any sign that offline installers aren’t the focus.I did download them in the past via the homepage and it’s much better and easier now
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nightcraw1er.488: Really you can install gwent? Or cyberpunk with all content? And does the installers not contain galaxy dll files? It’s “easier” for you as now files are hidden away, deliberately. Ease of use should not be the focus, as evidenced by the lack of decent changelogs, options on downloading, proper compression options etc. they (and publishers) do not want offline installers as it means a further build and more effort, for a small percentage of the users, and eventually, thanks to people who “think it’s easier now and much better now” will eventually tip the balance in favour of dropping offline installers altogether.
With easier i mean its way better to download them.Like i said i installed 50 games without galaxy being installed on my second system works like a charm
Post edited February 14, 2022 by ChristophWr
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ChristophWr: With easier i mean its way better to download them.Like i said i installed 50 games without galaxy being installed on my second system works like a charm
We used to have a lightweight downloader that was better. Suggesting people use Galaxy to download offline installers is a step backwards.
Posted February 14, 2022
I like it but obviously it's still early days and needs some work.
What I don't like is the idea that games could rely on it for functionality, and I don't like how GOG was so eager to drop support for older machines. (just seemed a bit antithetical to a site that was, at least at one time, more dedicated to old stuff)
Post edited February 14, 2022 by Plumb
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ChristophWr: With easier i mean its way better to download them.Like i said i installed 50 games without galaxy being installed on my second system works like a charm
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pds41: We used to have a lightweight downloader that was better. Suggesting people use Galaxy to download offline installers is a step backwards.
Not that much of a difference.The whole purpose is that you get the offline installers and that they work without a launcher and they do
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pds41: We used to have a lightweight downloader that was better. Suggesting people use Galaxy to download offline installers is a step backwards.
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Wheezyyyy: Not that much of a difference.The whole purpose is that you get the offline installers and that they work without a launcher and they do
People that don't use Galaxy expect that the offline installers are kept up to date, with some semblance of parity, so you're way off the mark. We don't even get changelogs anymore.
Posted February 14, 2022
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mad_men_only: We don't even get changelogs anymore.
We do, but they are very infrequent and can be dependent on the developer, publisher or GoG providing them...
Posted February 14, 2022
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KasperHviid: At one point, GOG used malware tactics and stealth-installed Galaxy along with each and every game installer. You were only able to opt out if if you remembered to click the Options button during install. (A button which traditionally offer minor choices, such as install directory or if you want an icon on the desktop, not major decisions like if you want to install a launcher)

They only stopped this practice because the forum users raised a shitstorm.

Things like this don't really win people over. There has also been some instances where games were broken or lacking features when they were played outside galaxy, or their installers were outdated. Also, if you look at the download page for your games, their design heavily try to discurage people from downloading the normal install files. And as nice as archivements and multiplayer are, this part of the games are effectively DRM-protected.

That said, I think a launcher offers some good features, letting you quickly and effortlessly install and uninstall games, and backing up your saves. I just don't like Galaxy constantly seem to nudge GOG away from its DRM-free roots.
To be fair, you usually only had to remember to opt out once; the subsequent installers would default to that option on the same PC. Still a terrible option.
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mad_men_only: We don't even get changelogs anymore.
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Trooper1270: We do, but they are very infrequent and can be dependent on the developer, publisher or GoG providing them...
Thanks for the correction.

That's what we see across the board, so clearly GOG is struggling to keep it together, which tells me that the parent company is no longer flush with cash. Not dead, but far from thriving -- and no one but themselves to blame, IMO.
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Wheezyyyy: Not that much of a difference.The whole purpose is that you get the offline installers and that they work without a launcher and they do
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mad_men_only: People that don't use Galaxy expect that the offline installers are kept up to date, with some semblance of parity, so you're way off the mark. We don't even get changelogs anymore.
You like to downvote like a little child ay.You are wrong we get changelogs and it very easy to check them
Posted February 14, 2022
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ChristophWr: Why the hate for gog galaxy?
Because again and again we see examples where instead of being an enhancement, Galaxy has ended up a distraction at the expense of offline installers. Two examples of many:-

Saints Row 3 Remastered launched in May 2021 and 9 months later offline installers are still half broken as a direct result of Galaxy API integration. In contrast, GOG would have fallen over themselves to fix it within days had the Galaxy version not worked properly...

Divinity Original Sin has a bug in the newest version. GOG offer the last bug-free version to Galaxy users but delliberately withholds it from offline installer users, even when they follow the devs recommendation of asking politely in a support ticket. An intentional choice that has "achieved" nothing but alienate many people.

Meanwhile, whilst GOG is hung up on pushing the "Meta-Client" mission goal of "one unified client interface for all your games" that doesn't seem to be convincing substantial numbers of Steam / uPlay / Origin gamers to shop here (for the same reason that Playnite didn't take over the world), stuff that actually does matter such as a reasonably functioning tech support that doesn't take +6 weeks to respond vs competing stores 1-3 days (that GOG also used to have pre-2019) is causing a lot of new accounts to quietly say "never again" and end up "one game accounts". GOG cannot hire desperately needed support staff due to new profit warnings ( and even had to fire staff a while back). Meanwhile, also not that long ago the "careers" page here was filled with Galaxy related job openings (front-end client UI, back-end Galaxy API development, etc), so money was found for that...

So a lot of "hate" towards Galaxy is more the way GOG has gone about over-pushing Galaxy at the expense of a lot of other things has divided the GOG community in half, and it's also the general lack of priority of improving the store for the whole user base, not just the same sub-section all the time, that people have grown to hate in general.
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Trooper1270: We do, but they are very infrequent and can be dependent on the developer, publisher or GoG providing them...
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mad_men_only: Thanks for the correction.

That's what we see across the board, so clearly GOG is struggling to keep it together, which tells me that the parent company is no longer flush with cash. Not dead, but far from thriving -- and no one but themselves to blame, IMO.
Sure epic loosing way more money and gog is backed by cdpr which are a billion dollar company so they will be fine same for epic.There are always ups and downs but we know you are just here to hate on gog.What about going outside a bit and touch some grass instead of trolling around and interfere in adult conversations
Posted February 14, 2022
I don't hate it but don't care for it either. Playnite did all galaxy does before them.
Posted February 14, 2022
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mad_men_only: Thanks for the correction.

That's what we see across the board, so clearly GOG is struggling to keep it together, which tells me that the parent company is no longer flush with cash. Not dead, but far from thriving -- and no one but themselves to blame, IMO.
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Wheezyyyy: Sure epic loosing way more money and gog is backed by cdpr which are a billion dollar company so they will be fine same for epic.There are always ups and downs but we know you are just here to hate on gog.What about going outside a bit and touch some grass instead of trolling around and interfere in adult conversations
Corporate valuations are garbage, just like their ethics. It's unmistakable, no matter how hard they try to cover it up. But don't let that stop you from digging your hole deeper.
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