Posted January 07, 2016
mindblast
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sunshinecorp
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gooberking
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From United States
Posted January 07, 2016
Smannesman: That's not really true, most of the software is included with desktop environments not the OS itself.
And most of those applications also have a free Win32 version.
dtgreene: Let's suppose you have a Linux system that doesn't have the program you need; it's still much easier to install it on Linux then on Windows. I'll use VLC as an example. And most of those applications also have a free Win32 version.
On Windows: You have to find the VLC website, hope it hasn't been trojaned (or be smart enough to add https:// to the beginning of the URL and check the certificate), find the download on the site, download it, and then run the installer.
On Debian: It takes only two commands (prepend with sudo if necessary).
# apt-get update
# apt-get install vlc
and VLC will be installed. These commands automatically check the signatures on the packages downloaded, ensuring that you don't end up with a trojaned version of VLC.
I should also point out that some programs, like Python and diff, are often installed automatically even in server installs that lack desktop environments.
dtgreene
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Posted January 07, 2016
mindblast: But, right now, even if i'm above-average Linux user and i always liked the open-source community and concept, i would not go back to it, as long as i have Windows 7. Windows it's more straight for me, i don't have problems in running any applications or games that i need, i don't have to troubleshoot too many things regarding my OS working as it should. And yea, i know that all Linux lovers will go and say "OMG, but it's so easy, so user-friendly". No, it's not.
A few things here: 1. Windows is not problem free. Sometimes, things break, and it might be Windows's fault, or it might be the fault of the hardware. Therefore, troubleshooting is sometimes necessary on Windows.
2. Troubleshooting is one thing that is a lot easier to do on Linux. Being able to view log files and use the terminal to run simple tests can be incredibly helpful in diagnosing the problem.
3. What if the graphics card or its driver stops functioning, giving you no display at all? On Windows, you are stuck; the computer is now unusable (barring booting a Linux Live CD, but then you're not using Windows). On Linux, if you can install and run an SSH server, you can just ssh into the box and run commands and programs that way, and see what messages the kernel is giving you. (In particular, is the problem with the graphics card or the driver? Or is it only an issue with the monitor not working.) Also, many server motherboards have serial ports which, again, allow you to access the command line and run programs that way. (This is one reason why so many servers run Linux or *BSD.)
Or by exploiting an unpatched security vulnerability.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by dtgreene
Ganni1987
'My Rewards' is DRM
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hummer010
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Posted January 07, 2016
Here's the low-down:
Linux isn't for everyone. Just like Windows isn't for everyone. Period.
If you're happy with windows, and what you want to do works fine, there probably isn't a reason to try Linux.
I wasn't happy with windows. I don't like the fact that there are multiple applications that I don't like, don't use, and cannot remove (IE, Explorer and Media Player being the big-3). I don't really care for the standard UI in windows, and there's no easy way to change that. I don't like DRM, and windows has DRM.
With Linux, there isn't a single application on my computer that I didn't OK, either directly or indirectly. My UI is nothing like windows, and it's exactly how I want it. What's more, if I want something different, it's trivial to do. I regularly swap between a floating window manager and a tiled window manager, depending on what I'm doing.
Linux is neither easier or harder to use than Windows. They both have their ups and downs, and they both have their quirks. Ultimately, it's entirely up to the user.
Linux isn't for everyone. Just like Windows isn't for everyone. Period.
If you're happy with windows, and what you want to do works fine, there probably isn't a reason to try Linux.
I wasn't happy with windows. I don't like the fact that there are multiple applications that I don't like, don't use, and cannot remove (IE, Explorer and Media Player being the big-3). I don't really care for the standard UI in windows, and there's no easy way to change that. I don't like DRM, and windows has DRM.
With Linux, there isn't a single application on my computer that I didn't OK, either directly or indirectly. My UI is nothing like windows, and it's exactly how I want it. What's more, if I want something different, it's trivial to do. I regularly swap between a floating window manager and a tiled window manager, depending on what I'm doing.
Linux is neither easier or harder to use than Windows. They both have their ups and downs, and they both have their quirks. Ultimately, it's entirely up to the user.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by hummer010
Tpiom
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From Sweden
Posted January 07, 2016
Ganni1987: Another Linux Mint user here (currently on version 17.3 - Mate Edition), I made the switch last year and not going back.
My story in short:
I've always had an interest in Linux and tried to learn it in a virtual machine for a couple of years, I was happy with Win7 so learning Linux wasn't that crucial, but when Win8 was released that was the wake up call for me, I knew I'd never accept the restrictions on the OS and especially that horrible Metro UI.
Around October 2014, I installed Mint and started learning it seriously, 2 weeks later I was well settled on Linux for good without thinking of going back to Windows and it has been that way till now. I won't even speak about Windows 10, enough has been said on that crap.
So why Linux? after 1 year as my OS this is what I can say:
- I feel complete control over my system, anything I don't like can easily be changed.
- Many great Open Source software, some of them even better than some Windows freeware I used).
- A very stable OS, after 1 year it still runs just as fast as the 1st day, with Linux I still don't feel the need for an SSD.
- No longer have to worry about viruses and malware, let alone hogging my system with an antivirus.
- Never having to worry about drivers, only ones I've ever needed to install manually were the GPU ones.
- If you want to run Windows games there's Wine, there are many that will run perfectly however if there are some games that you can't leave behind on Windows, it's better to check the Wine compatibility database: https://appdb.winehq.org/
Gaming:
As it stands I have 210 games on GOG, 70 of them are officially Linux supported by GOG while many others will run just as fine on Wine or simply haven't received their Linux version yet. Technically more than half my library is Linux compatible.
If you use Steam, you can find a lot more Linux games, some of them from big name companies too. So as you can see there's no shortage of games on Linux either.
Hmmm... sounds like something I'd write in the future. My story in short:
I've always had an interest in Linux and tried to learn it in a virtual machine for a couple of years, I was happy with Win7 so learning Linux wasn't that crucial, but when Win8 was released that was the wake up call for me, I knew I'd never accept the restrictions on the OS and especially that horrible Metro UI.
Around October 2014, I installed Mint and started learning it seriously, 2 weeks later I was well settled on Linux for good without thinking of going back to Windows and it has been that way till now. I won't even speak about Windows 10, enough has been said on that crap.
So why Linux? after 1 year as my OS this is what I can say:
- I feel complete control over my system, anything I don't like can easily be changed.
- Many great Open Source software, some of them even better than some Windows freeware I used).
- A very stable OS, after 1 year it still runs just as fast as the 1st day, with Linux I still don't feel the need for an SSD.
- No longer have to worry about viruses and malware, let alone hogging my system with an antivirus.
- Never having to worry about drivers, only ones I've ever needed to install manually were the GPU ones.
- If you want to run Windows games there's Wine, there are many that will run perfectly however if there are some games that you can't leave behind on Windows, it's better to check the Wine compatibility database: https://appdb.winehq.org/
Gaming:
As it stands I have 210 games on GOG, 70 of them are officially Linux supported by GOG while many others will run just as fine on Wine or simply haven't received their Linux version yet. Technically more than half my library is Linux compatible.
If you use Steam, you can find a lot more Linux games, some of them from big name companies too. So as you can see there's no shortage of games on Linux either.
For now, as I'm happy with Win7 I'm staying with it until it's... obsolete then I'm switching to Linux Mint also - except I'm going to use Cinnamon instead of Mate. I'm running and testing Mint as a virtual machine now and trying it out.
My only real worry are the drivers, not too long ago I tested it on a laptop. I had some issues with the video card... like fan control was gone so it was running at high-power mode all the time.
Ganni1987
'My Rewards' is DRM
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Posted January 07, 2016
Tpiom: Hmmm... sounds like something I'd write in the future.
For now, as I'm happy with Win7 I'm staying with it until it's... obsolete then I'm switching to Linux Mint also - except I'm going to use Cinnamon instead of Mate. I'm running and testing Mint as a virtual machine now and trying it out.
My only real worry are the drivers, not too long ago I tested it on a laptop. I had some issues with the video card... like fan control was gone so it was running at high-power mode all the time.
Which GPU are you referring to? The proprietary Nvidia driver has a terminal command to enable manual fan control (you only have to type it once and it remembers it automatically from there on after).For now, as I'm happy with Win7 I'm staying with it until it's... obsolete then I'm switching to Linux Mint also - except I'm going to use Cinnamon instead of Mate. I'm running and testing Mint as a virtual machine now and trying it out.
My only real worry are the drivers, not too long ago I tested it on a laptop. I had some issues with the video card... like fan control was gone so it was running at high-power mode all the time.
classicgogger
Registered: Feb 2013
From Germany
Posted January 07, 2016
@OP: Just give it a try, there are images available for usb sticks, optical media, virtual machines. So no need to install it.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by classicgogger
sunshinecorp
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From Greece
Posted January 07, 2016
Speaking of graphics drivers, the AMD proprietary driver is the only thing that's causing trouble for me in Linux. I'd stay away from AMD GPUs for now, if you're making the switch to Linux.
timppu
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From Finland
Posted January 07, 2016
Smannesman: Nowadays at least installing it is usually as easy a Windows installation, but it's still not as easy and friendly to maintain as Windows.
Nowadays I find Windows installation far more hassle than e.g. installing Linux Mint, mainly due to Windows activation and various versions of it. This is one of the many examples: just recently I promised someone that I will re-install Windows 7 for her PC because I had "foolishly" re-installed the English version of it, and her English for "computer stuff" isn't that good, so she prefers the Finnish Windows.
Ok, maybe I'll reinstall it from scratch then. Windows 7 was preinstalled on her PC so I only have her product key, there was no installation media included. You used to be able to download the Windows 7 ISOs from certain site (digitalriver?), but MS has apparently closed that site. Instead, MS lets you download the installation media from their homepage as long as you have the product key.
Oops, the MS page says I am not eligible to download the ISO with the product key, as it is a key for a preloaded Windows. Instead, I am supposed to contact the PC vendor for recovery media. Thanks for nothing, MS! Why is there this kind of restriction, it just doesn't make any sense.
Ok so it seems I can't reinstall Finnish Windows 7 on her PC, what next? I learn you can change the system language... if you have Windows 7 Ultimate. This is Home Premium, tough luck I guess. After further googling I find out about Vistalizator, which is a third-party utility to change the system language of Home Premium version with the relevant MUI. The instructors are a bit complicated and are very strict about doing certain things exactly or otherwise you might end up either with an non-validated or even an non-bootable Windows, e.g. I needed to install two Windows updates manually after using Vistalizator, before rebooting the PC.
Luckily, in the end it worked, and finally I had been able to change the Windows 7 Home Premium system language from English to Finnish. I had to jump through hoops and even use an unsupported third-party utility in order to achieve it.
Now, take e.g. Linux Mint. I wouldn't have stupid shit like this on it at all. There are no arbitrary restrictions whether I can download installation media for it with my "product key" or not, and whether I am allowed to change the system language with my specific version of Linux. It is all much more simpler and straightforward on Linux.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by timppu
Matruchus
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From Slovenia
Posted January 07, 2016
Strange never had any issues with proprietary drivers on Linux with my r9 270x. Running latest catalyst driver from 18.12.2015 at the moment.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by Matruchus
OlivawR
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From Italy
Posted January 07, 2016
sunshinecorp: You don't need the command line. Package manager will do. And it's easy to browse and find whatever you need. Now you're just trying to defend the undefendable I think.
Smannesman: Nope, just pointing out that that particular reply with those examples were not very good. The package managers can be great, which is why I think MS is taking a similar approach with the whole store thing.
Again, I haven't used 8-10 much.
Carolus Magnus
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Posted January 07, 2016
I nuked windows 7 off my older pc (which originally came with XP) using DBAN and installed Kubuntu (because we had a 12 year old book about that distro lying arround and it seemed a like a useable desktop GUI for a linux newbie).
Initially, you need to get used to a few quirks, but besides that you can get going very easily very fast without much added effort.
And tech savyness is most certainly not a prerequisite for being able to work with linux, and IF you are ever stuck with an issue you can find bookloads worth of easy to grasp support information on fora across the net.
Earlier today I wanted to download whatever dedicated software package would allow me to rip audio and encode it in a flurry of formats.
I went to my package manager, typed "audio ripping tool" in the search field, and was presented with five different options for tools to burn, rip and encode audio to and from cd's.
I picked one which got good reviews and had a simple ui, and a free quick download and automatic dependency check for the required encoding thingies needed for all supported formats later I was ripping lossless audio off of my CD's.
Whatever you need to do, there is a package for it a few clicks away, totally free and with its own dependency check to prevent muckups.
The even cooler part is that you can update every single one and everything else besides with just the command line "sudo apt-get update"
My pc is a 32 bit from 2008, and when I boot up, I am logged in into my account and ready to go in under a minute (and a half at the worst times).
That, and everything said here before...
Initially, you need to get used to a few quirks, but besides that you can get going very easily very fast without much added effort.
And tech savyness is most certainly not a prerequisite for being able to work with linux, and IF you are ever stuck with an issue you can find bookloads worth of easy to grasp support information on fora across the net.
Earlier today I wanted to download whatever dedicated software package would allow me to rip audio and encode it in a flurry of formats.
I went to my package manager, typed "audio ripping tool" in the search field, and was presented with five different options for tools to burn, rip and encode audio to and from cd's.
I picked one which got good reviews and had a simple ui, and a free quick download and automatic dependency check for the required encoding thingies needed for all supported formats later I was ripping lossless audio off of my CD's.
Whatever you need to do, there is a package for it a few clicks away, totally free and with its own dependency check to prevent muckups.
The even cooler part is that you can update every single one and everything else besides with just the command line "sudo apt-get update"
My pc is a 32 bit from 2008, and when I boot up, I am logged in into my account and ready to go in under a minute (and a half at the worst times).
That, and everything said here before...
classicgogger
Registered: Feb 2013
From Germany
Posted January 07, 2016
So who's gonna open a "Why Windows?" thread now? ;)