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johnnygoging: yewhuat?! things aren't too complicated?!

wtf is an awk!?
is interpreted scripting language with a c-like structure that's an offshoot of sed, allowing you to write very simple and powerful scripts for processing data. [url=https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html]Sed is a stream editor, letting you make adjustments on input data one line at a time (or multiple lines if you tell it to).

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johnnygoging: not too complicated?!! have you seen vim?! that's the text editor!!! vim! don't like vim! there's another text editor! called emacs!
Vi/Vim is easier than Emacs for the beginner, however there are other editors. there's joe, or if you use the GUI there's a kde notepad which looks very similar to wordpad for windows. If you insist on having a GUI probably look at KDE programs, Gnome, or one of the other common windowing manager specific editors. I'd suggest maybe seeing if notepad++ has a port, that would be a good one :)

Worst case, if you are creating a new file, you can always use echo and just redirect to a file.

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johnnygoging: WHERE ARE MY BLOODY KERNEL SOURCES HOW DO I GET THEM ...

oh I see, sir, I see. I see how it is now. ohh ho ho. ohh ho. ohh yes inded. indeed, sir. *teeth smacking and licking*
https://www.kernel.org/

Although it might be easier to use apt-get, especially that a lot of distributions patch the kernels with extra features/fixes to make it work with their vision, making a number of distributions in compatible with eachother. Slightly annoying. However unless you're downloading and remaking the kernel from scratch, you are probably wanting just the header files which are separate but let you compile modules (ko) and plug them in.

But then you'll probably complain the compiling is too complicated without understanding how to use configure or make...



I should remind you that back before Linux there was MSDOS and Windows 3.1 or Windows 95. And guess what, those came with Manuals! and you had to READ the manuals to figure out how to get around or do things on the computers.

When in doubt, read the manual - me
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manero666: please GOG give us our Linux ghetto!!
Oh, so now you are calling Windows users nazis?!? Or should I say, nazi$?

And GOG is Hitler then, putting you all into a ghetto? In that case STeam must be STalin.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by timppu
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manero666: please GOG give us our Linux ghetto!!
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timppu: Oh, so now you are calling Windows users nazis?!? Or should I say, nazi$?

And GOG is Hitler then, putting you all into a ghetto? In that case STeam must be STalin.
let's say that the next time i will write BUNKER

oh $hit then it will remember of WWII or Vietnam...

let's go for CAVE man... LINUX CAVE sounds fine
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Gede: That is like saying "I don't like ham because it does not look and taste like cheese".
at least you acknowledge linux is not an alternative to windows.

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Gede: (You may want to look at ReactOS if you want a better Windows.
reactos is a experiment, its a test, and you are suggesting it to a end user?

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Gede: That is like going on a blind date expecting to meet Sara Sampaio! (She is a Portuguese model
from end user pov linux is alien, so now try to convince any man or woman to date an alien

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Gede: However, if you try to get to know GNU/Linux, to learn about it and actually make an honest effort
people have lives besides technology, and nowadays no end user should be forced in reading manuals just to operate a computer

bottom line, linux has 1% desktop market share, windows is dead and there are millions of user trying to find an alternative which the linux community over the year has proven to be unable to give

I again say, someone from outside the linux community has to step up and break the current linux distro model and finally do the linux for windows users we are all waiting for
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triple_l: I again say, someone from outside the linux community has to step up and break the current linux distro model and finally do the linux for windows users we are all waiting for
Looking at quite many responses, alone here in this thread, I doubt any Linux distro would be a good choice for the majority of Windows users, because it could never be *that* easy to use (as in never ever touch the shell, which is simply not possible in the long run). Android however might be a good replacement, like the Remix OS Project.
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Gede: That is like saying "I don't like ham because it does not look and taste like cheese".
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triple_l: at least you acknowledge linux is not an alternative to windows.

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Gede: (You may want to look at ReactOS if you want a better Windows.
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triple_l: reactos is a experiment, its a test, and you are suggesting it to a end user?

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Gede: That is like going on a blind date expecting to meet Sara Sampaio! (She is a Portuguese model
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triple_l: from end user pov linux is alien, so now try to convince any man or woman to date an alien

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Gede: However, if you try to get to know GNU/Linux, to learn about it and actually make an honest effort
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triple_l: people have lives besides technology, and nowadays no end user should be forced in reading manuals just to operate a computer

bottom line, linux has 1% desktop market share, windows is dead and there are millions of user trying to find an alternative which the linux community over the year has proven to be unable to give

I again say, someone from outside the linux community has to step up and break the current linux distro model and finally do the linux for windows users we are all waiting for
What the fuck is Linux for Windows?
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triple_l: I again say, someone from outside the linux community has to step up and break the current linux distro model and finally do the linux for windows users we are all waiting for
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OlivawR: What the fuck is Linux for Windows?
"Linux for Windows users", not "Linux for Windows users".

Not to say I agree with Gede in that regard. I believe there are many several GNU/Linux distributions that simple enough to use for the common user - sure, their user interfaces are different from the Windows they may be used to, but it's not much bigger a change than the jump to a three generations more recent Windows version that they would go through anyway when getting a new computer eventually.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by Maighstir
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triple_l: people have lives besides technology, and nowadays no end user should be forced in reading manuals just to operate a computer
Back when the Win95-style UI layout was new, people *did* need a manual to know how to use it! (or worse)

The only reason you don't need a manual for it now is because of it being so widely and exclusively used in schools, offices etc. - people have passively learned how to use it, to the point that using it & working around its flaws has become almost second nature.

Also I didn't use a manual or guide when I switched to Mint - I first installed it in a VM and quickly learned how to use it simply through exploration - it was about the same experience as when I switched between different versions of Windows.
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classicgogger: Looking at quite many responses, alone here in this thread, I doubt any Linux distro would be a good choice for the majority of Windows users, because it could never be *that* easy to use (as in never ever touch the shell, which is simply not possible in the long run).
It is possible, and doable now. My mother uses Linux Mint on her laptop and she doesn't have any issues with it, and she's about as computer illiterate as it gets.

However there will always be older users who are more familiar with the terminal because that's what they're used to, many guides will rely on terminal commands because it's faster and more consistent than listing a bunch of instructions for navigating different GUIs and so on.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by adamhm
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maxoliveira: I haven't treat anybody here like a idiot, sorry if my words offended you, I was just giving my opinion..
Your wording made it sound like something factual and not a personal opinion.
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you wrote and overreacted, I often forget English is not the main language of a lot of people here (including me).
Post edited January 14, 2016 by vv221
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triple_l: I again say, someone from outside the linux community has to step up and break the current linux distro model and finally do the linux for windows users we are all waiting for
It's already been done. It's called OS X.

I've seen so many people claim that Linux's biggest problem is the fragmentation. Too many distros, too many window managers, too many choices for a user to make.

Once you've actually used Linux, you'll realize that the fragmentation is actually one of Linux's biggest strengths. Choice is a good thing.
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triple_l: I again say, someone from outside the linux community has to step up and break the current linux distro model and finally do the linux for windows users we are all waiting for
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hummer010: It's already been done. It's called OS X.

I've seen so many people claim that Linux's biggest problem is the fragmentation. Too many distros, too many window managers, too many choices for a user to make.

Once you've actually used Linux, you'll realize that the fragmentation is actually one of Linux's biggest strengths. Choice is a good thing.
The whole Debian branch (RIP Ian Murdock...) is so similar and widely used, that the actual fragmentation isn't so big and cross compatibility is getting better all the time.
Most people use Debian/Ubuntu/Mint anyway and it's less different from another than WinXP/Vista/8, at least that's the impression I got after seeing all those.

People that use Arch or Slackware usually care for vastly different things anyway, but I often get the feeling those are meant when people are talking about Linux, even if they are the minority by now.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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adamhm: Back when the Win95-style UI layout was new, people *did* need a manual to know how to use it! (or worse)

The only reason you don't need a manual for it now is because of it being so widely and exclusively used in schools, offices etc. - people have passively learned how to use it, to the point that using it & working around its flaws has become almost second nature.
Bingo! The classic multi-function-bar-on-one-edge-of-the-screen-with-a-menu interface of Windows 95 to Windows 7 has become so ingrained, it was difficult for Microsoft to change it. Look how well Windows 8 was received. Windows 10 basically takes windows 8's menu-screen, and shrinks it down to a more traditional menu - and everyone is happy again.

The real enlightenment comes when you realize that the classic multi-function-bar-on-one-edge-of-the-screen-with-a-menu isn't the only way to interact with a computer. In fact, depending on how you work, it might not be the best way to work with your computer.
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adamhm: Also I didn't use a manual or guide when I switched to Mint - I first installed it in a VM and quickly learned how to use it simply through exploration - it was about the same experience as when I switched between different versions of Windows.
I downloaded Mint and installed it on a partition, and hasn't booted into windows for almost a week
triple_l

at least you acknowledge linux is not an alternative to windows.
There is no alternative to Windows as long as it comes pre-installed.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by Lutgolhein
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triple_l: I again say, someone from outside the Linux community has to step up and break the current Linux distro model and finally do the Linux for windows users we are all waiting for
you wrote something like that some posts ago and i skipped a reply, but now i need to

i think that window$ totally win with you; you may not be happy with your OS but you're stuck with it, actually IMHO this was something wanted from micro$oft, they alienated the OS users, by simplifying the interactions through a GUI and taking away the consumer from understanding what's going on and why.

do you ever tried some Linux OS?

as i wrote before I'm not a Linux missionary and I don't care if you use it or not, anyway don't take it personal, I'm not trying to provoking you.

There will never be a Linux distro for window$ users like you, you need to step up and learn how to use Linux (or try Linux i guess)

Linux didn't failed at you, you failed at Linux

ps. it's funny because I'm imagining you reading all these post with the same face as your avatar 8)