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Posted November 14, 2021
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Why do people use Linux


Isn't that just more hassle


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Posted November 14, 2021
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Jon_Irenicus_PL: Why do people use Linux

Isn't that just more hassle

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Why would you consider it a hassle?
Posted November 14, 2021
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Johnathanamz: You know I do wish MicroSoft would open source their DirectX's like at least DirectX 1 to DirectX 11.
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Magnitus: Yes. Me too. I'd wish they'd open-source their older offerings of Windows overall (at least the ancient stuff). It would make maintenance of legacy Windows software (well, games really) a lot easier.

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Johnathanamz: If MicroSoft can back port DirectX 12 and WDDM 2 to Windows 7 64-bit then I am sure MicroSoft can open source DirectX 1 to DirectX 12 fully.

It would be even more of a benefit to video game developers to open source DirectX 1 to DirectX 12.
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Magnitus: Indeed. I think it would make a big difference if Microsoft would show that users of "legacy" software on their systems won't be left hanging.

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Johnathanamz: You can back port newer OpenGL versions and Vulkan to older Linux Operating Systems (OS's) right? At least I read that from time to time from Linux users.
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Magnitus: All you need is a community of developers willing to do it.

I think ultimately, the greatest challenge with maintaining an aging kernel is to maintain aging drivers with newer hardware and gpus are particularly non-standard compliant in this regard.

But some gpus have well maintained open-source drivers so assuming you stick to one of those, its very feasible.

However, I think the least effort path may be to adapt a newer distro to whatever an older Linux game is expecting. Given the ecosystem it ran on then was open-source, if you know its dependencies then, you can backtrack what it needs.

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Johnathanamz: Imagine if MicroSoft open sourced DirectX 1 to DirectX 12 and it ended up working on Linux to.
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Magnitus: I imagine it would help a lot of legacy games run on Linux.

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Johnathanamz: There is a reason VALVe is removing OpenGL from the Linux versions of their video games and replacing them with DXVK, because VALVe themselves even said OpenGL is slow and sucks.
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Magnitus: I think he gives a solid answer: https://www.quora.com/Is-OpenGL-a-good-API-to-start-3D-game-programming-or-are-there-preferable-alternatives/answer/Terry-Lambert

I did OpenGL back in 2005 or something when I was in university and I guess back then, it was hot, according to Valve in 2012 anyways: [url=https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows#:~:text=In%20short%3A%20OpenGL%20is%20faster,a%20frame%20in%203.69%20milliseconds]https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows#:~:text=In%20short%3A%20OpenGL%20is%20faster,a%20frame%20in%203.69%20milliseconds[/url]

But if I had to make a game nowadays, I'd be looking for a cross-platform game engine.

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Johnathanamz: Also MicroSoft did release some parts of DirectX 12 as open source.
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Magnitus: I think their latest ceo is warming up to open-source a lot which is good.

Otherwise, you have maintain everything yourself indefinitely and you become a blocker for everyone who wants to build and maintain things on what you did.

I think at some point, even with proprietary software, the right thing to do via your users is to say: "You know, I'm not gonna maintain the myriad of things you guys got going on an aging platform I no longer wish to maintain, because that's crazy, but here's the good news: I'll give you the source code for it and you can do it yourselves"
Ok I have not read this topic for a few days and I saw the comment I made that you responded to me.

This is not against you, but what the hell I was saying that I do wish MicroSoft would open source DirectX 1 to DirectX 12 and you agreeing with me and my comment gets down voted, but your comment does not?

Some person here on gog.com I think really really hates me, like a lot.
Posted November 14, 2021
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Jon_Irenicus_PL: Why do people use Linux

Isn't that just more hassle

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Why do people use Windows

Isn't that just more hassle

why


Yes, I actually do find Windows to be more of a hassle than Linux.
Posted November 14, 2021
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Jon_Irenicus_PL: Why do people use Linux

Isn't that just more hassle

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patrikc: Why would you consider it a hassle?
Install game on windows. It works but it might need some retarded redistributable you need to find.
Windows is getting worse for this.

There could be anything missing from Linux and who knows where it is to make what you want work.
Post edited November 14, 2021 by §pec†re
Posted November 14, 2021
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patrikc: Why would you consider it a hassle?
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§pec†re: Install game on windows. It works but it might need some retarded redistributable you need to find.
Windows is getting worse for this.

There could be anything missing from Linux and who knows where it is to make what you want work.
In both Arch and Debian-based distros I haven't encountered any major issues related to dependencies while using Lutris.
From what I understand, gaming on Linux has made considerable progress these past years. I'm positive this trend will continue.
In general, there are answers out there for any kind of question. And sure, there is always room for improvement.

As an example, the most recent test I ran was with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat on ArcoLinux and the results were good.
Post edited November 14, 2021 by patrikc
Posted November 14, 2021
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Johnathanamz: Ok I have not read this topic for a few days and I saw the comment I made that you responded to me.

This is not against you, but what the hell I was saying that I do wish MicroSoft would open source DirectX 1 to DirectX 12 and you agreeing with me and my comment gets down voted, but your comment does not?

Some person here on gog.com I think really really hates me, like a lot.
It probably doesn't take that much hate to press the downvote button. On a 1 to 10 on a "hate" scale, I'd make that a 1 or at most a 2. You ask them in a month and they probably won't remember it without being provided a refresher. Best you forget it as well I think and focus your attention elsewhere.

Otherwise, yes, we are political animals. It is extremely difficult for us to evaluate ideas, irrespective of their source. Its not just about how good an idea is, its who originally thought of it. It really shouldn't matter, but it does. Heck, our egos are so engraved in this that we often name ideas after their originator.

It takes a considerable amount of will to overcome this: First, you need to recognize that this is a part of you (not just the other guy, you too). Second, you need to recognize that it is wrong. And third, you need to constantly look for this pattern in your thought processes and correct it.
Post edited November 14, 2021 by Magnitus
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darktjm: Thank you for clipping out the rest of my comment. I repeat: there is nothing wrong with only supporting one popular distribution. They already do. Sticking to only one distro has not helped. Forcing everyone to conform, like the Windows drones, not only goes completely against the grain of everyone (including Windows users, who eventually like to customize their system), evidence shows it would not change a thing. So screw you and everyone else who thinks they can dictate what I run on my machine. You're just one step away from just saying "why doesn't everyone just use the latest Microsoft Windows offering?".
They already do? Why are there so many distributions, then? You guys all want to play in your own corner and not have to deal with anyone else. How's that working out for you? Get organized and make ONE distribution with all of the "best" features you guys like. As it stands, there's very little money in supporting Linux. You guys want free &#@* but expect someone else to lose money supporting you.

Screw me? No, thanks. Your loops couldn't handle my root, mount, fsck, and coredump.
Posted November 14, 2021
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DoomSooth: They already do? Why are there so many distributions, then?
You fail at basic reading comprehension. Twice in a row. I refuse to engage further.
Posted November 14, 2021
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darktjm: Thank you for clipping out the rest of my comment. I repeat: there is nothing wrong with only supporting one popular distribution. They already do. Sticking to only one distro has not helped. Forcing everyone to conform, like the Windows drones, not only goes completely against the grain of everyone (including Windows users, who eventually like to customize their system), evidence shows it would not change a thing. So screw you and everyone else who thinks they can dictate what I run on my machine. You're just one step away from just saying "why doesn't everyone just use the latest Microsoft Windows offering?".
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DoomSooth: They already do? Why are there so many distributions, then? You guys all want to play in your own corner and not have to deal with anyone else. How's that working out for you? Get organized and make ONE distribution with all of the "best" features you guys like. As it stands, there's very little money in supporting Linux. You guys want free &#@* but expect someone else to lose money supporting you.

Screw me? No, thanks. Your loops couldn't handle my root, mount, fsck, and coredump.
this is the case
linux is so fragmented nobody wants to support it
Posted November 14, 2021
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DoomSooth: They already do? Why are there so many distributions, then? You guys all want to play in your own corner and not have to deal with anyone else. How's that working out for you? Get organized and make ONE distribution with all of the "best" features you guys like. As it stands, there's very little money in supporting Linux. You guys want free &#@* but expect someone else to lose money supporting you.

Screw me? No, thanks. Your loops couldn't handle my root, mount, fsck, and coredump.
Windows does that of having only one variant per OS life cycle, and how does that work out?
Hardly no customization options, using commands is a shot in the dark because you either get no logs outputted or they're pretty hard to find, you get bloatware programs that are a nightmare to remove if you don't want them, you get hardly no saying in OS updates (and these updates are a PITA since you need to stop everything to update some useless function you probably don't even know that is in the OS), the OS is pretty much rented as the licenses expire after some years at most, settings are a maze, and so on.
But going by your logic, since it's a centralized OS, it should be what everyone wants.
Posted November 14, 2021
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DoomSooth: They already do? Why are there so many distributions, then? You guys all want to play in your own corner and not have to deal with anyone else. How's that working out for you? Get organized and make ONE distribution with all of the "best" features you guys like. As it stands, there's very little money in supporting Linux. You guys want free &#@* but expect someone else to lose money supporting you.

Screw me? No, thanks. Your loops couldn't handle my root, mount, fsck, and coredump.
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_Auster_: Windows does that of having only one variant per OS life cycle, and how does that work out?
Hardly no customization options, using commands is a shot in the dark because you either get no logs outputted or they're pretty hard to find, you get bloatware programs that are a nightmare to remove if you don't want them, you get hardly no saying in OS updates (and these updates are a PITA since you need to stop everything to update some useless function you probably don't even know that is in the OS), the OS is pretty much rented as the licenses expire after some years at most, settings are a maze, and so on.
But going by your logic, since it's a centralized OS, it should be what everyone wants.
it works better than linux , just look at the user base size
it work and thats what everyone wants
most people dont care for lame fancy customization options
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patrikc: In both Arch and Debian-based distros I haven't encountered any major issues related to dependencies while using Lutris.
From what I understand, gaming on Linux has made considerable progress these past years. I'm positive this trend will continue.
In general, there are answers out there for any kind of question. And sure, there is always room for improvement.

As an example, the most recent test I ran was with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat on ArcoLinux and the results were good.
How does Lutris work?
It looks like some form of steam for Linux. What happens when it breaks or people want to play older games on older machines?
Posted November 14, 2021
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_Auster_: Windows does that of having only one variant per OS life cycle, and how does that work out?
More of my games work on it. That's mostly what I care about. If I switch to Linux, I can kiss a lot of games goodbye.
Posted November 14, 2021
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_Auster_: Windows does that of having only one variant per OS life cycle, and how does that work out?
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DoomSooth: More of my games work on it. That's mostly what I care about. If I switch to Linux, I can kiss a lot of games goodbye.
Proton is quickly making that an overstatement. I wonder what other reasons you will find to hang on to Windows when that becomes a non-issue :P. I'm only saying that because it was what kept me hooked to Windows longer than I should have been (probably should have stopped when Windows 10 came out, but I kept going a few years).

Anyway, let's stop the OS wars, seriously - this is like a tale as old as time. Keep using Windows if it works out for you, it's hardly a problem if you do... only I have the feeling MS will do all that it can to make you hate using it.

I'm "lucky" I guess to be comfortable enough with Linux to daily drive it (including 100% of my gaming needs, CP2077 included), so I can watch the slow transition of Windows to AdvertizeOS from the sidelines with a bowl of popcorn :P.
Post edited November 14, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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