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Posted November 04, 2021
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DoomSooth: It'd probably help a lot if all of the Linux users would concentrate their efforts on one distribution and stick with it.
yes , that would help a lot , so it probably wont happen
Posted November 04, 2021
Because people generally don't know a good thing till it's gone...
Posted November 04, 2021
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DoomSooth: It'd probably help a lot if all of the Linux users would concentrate their efforts on one distribution and stick with it.
You're not the only one who thinks arbitrarily restricting Linux users is a good idea. How would that help? We've already got people only "supporting" one distro, and only as installed by default (and often only on certain hardware), but it isn't enough to attract more support. All compliance with such an argument would do is make Linux less useful for the majority without actually changing anything for the better.

Note that I actually am fine with people only "supporting" one distro, mainly because the differences between distros, at least at the game-playing level, are not as big as everyone wants to make it out to be. it's a lot easier to work around something like a missing open source library or an icon that only works on one "desktop" or even to run a non-native binary (using qemu-user) than it is to use wine. Granted, I was annoyed when "Linux support" meant "Red Hat on x86" back in the day, but now I only run amd64 hardware, so my only issue is "Ubuntu with binary-only nvidia (and maybe amd if you're lucky) video drivers".
Posted November 04, 2021
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Magnitus: In the advent of a disruption in PC gaming, I don't think Microsoft would drop the ball and Windows will vanish. Most shifts are not that sudden.

I just think another alternative would gradually acquire more mindshares, because it is better.
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StingingVelvet: Microsoft's long-term goal is a streaming subscription service that works on any device. Their current support of PC gaming is nice though, and should last for many years as streaming faces many difficulties to get over. Until that point MS wants a platform agnostic subscription service that includes Windows.

The real short-term "threat" from MS is subscription exclusive games, in my opinion. Those will come eventually.
How about this?:

Someone gives you a Linux spinoff that is even easier to use for a layman than Windows and that can run:
- All Linux apps
- All Windows apps (modern or legacy)
- Built-in drivers for some amazing new hardware that they have

And it is free. You wouldn't switch for that?

That's an extreme unlikely case, but there's a whole range of possibilities less extreme than that that would convert a lot of Windows users.

And yes, Microsoft is transitioning the core of its business toward rental (cloud services), not ownership (installed standalone software)

Nowadays, Windows is to Microsoft what GOG is to Cd Projekt Red
Post edited November 04, 2021 by Magnitus
Posted November 04, 2021
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StingingVelvet: Microsoft's long-term goal is a streaming subscription service that works on any device. Their current support of PC gaming is nice though, and should last for many years as streaming faces many difficulties to get over. Until that point MS wants a platform agnostic subscription service that includes Windows.

The real short-term "threat" from MS is subscription exclusive games, in my opinion. Those will come eventually.
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Magnitus: How about this?:

Someone gives you a Linux spinoff that is even easier to use for a layman than Windows and that can run:
- All Linux apps
- All Windows apps (modern or legacy)
- Built-in drivers for some amazing new hardware that they have

And it is free. You wouldn't switch for that?

That's an extreme unlikely case, but there's a whole range of possibilities less extreme than that that would convert a lot of Windows users.

And yes, Microsoft is transitioning the core of its business toward rental (cloud services), not ownership (installed standalone software)

Nowadays, Windows is to Microsoft what GOG is to Cd Projekt Red
no cause that is a scam , we all know nothing is free
Posted November 04, 2021
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Orkhepaj: no cause that is a scam , we all know nothing is free
We depend on an incredible amount of things that are free actually.

Our accumulated knowledge in the public domain dwarfs copyrighted or patented knowledge by a considerable amount (and what's in the private domain is limited by what the currently living can produce within a given time frame, but short of a catastrophe public knowledge is ever increasing, its the engine that powers progress).

Whoever claims to be an island is a liar. We've all been riding the shoulders of dead giants for quite some time now. If the free knowledge we all depend on got quantified and charged to us, we'd all be laden with debts that we couldn't possibly repay.
Post edited November 04, 2021 by Magnitus
Posted November 13, 2021
A lot of the replies to this thread seem to completely ignore that GOG themselves marked the Galaxy for Linux wishlist as in progress back in March 2015 and said themselves that it was been made and would be released soon.

Then GOG just went silent for a few years before confirming that that hadn't done any code towards it yet, then went silent again forever, I have tried contacting customer support and the devs directly over the years to remove the 'in progress' from the wishlist as it just misleads people but I just get completely ignored, even my customer support tickets.

GOG has the worst customer service I have ever dealt with, hell even Electronic Arts and Blizzard you could actually phone them to deal with problems.
Posted November 13, 2021
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Frogmancer: A lot of the replies to this thread seem to completely ignore that GOG themselves marked the Galaxy for Linux wishlist as in progress back in March 2015 and said themselves that it was been made and would be released soon.

Then GOG just went silent for a few years before confirming that that hadn't done any code towards it yet, then went silent again forever, I have tried contacting customer support and the devs directly over the years to remove the 'in progress' from the wishlist as it just misleads people but I just get completely ignored, even my customer support tickets.

GOG has the worst customer service I have ever dealt with, hell even Electronic Arts and Blizzard you could actually phone them to deal with problems.
wait they did at one point say they were going to make Linux version of Gog galaxy?
Posted November 13, 2021
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Frogmancer: A lot of the replies to this thread seem to completely ignore that GOG themselves marked the Galaxy for Linux wishlist as in progress back in March 2015 and said themselves that it was been made and would be released soon.

Then GOG just went silent for a few years before confirming that that hadn't done any code towards it yet, then went silent again forever, I have tried contacting customer support and the devs directly over the years to remove the 'in progress' from the wishlist as it just misleads people but I just get completely ignored, even my customer support tickets.

GOG has the worst customer service I have ever dealt with, hell even Electronic Arts and Blizzard you could actually phone them to deal with problems.
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aCyborg: wait they did at one point say they were going to make Linux version of Gog galaxy?
In June 2014 they said: "We're not forgetting Linux guys. We'll be giving more info later this year.
Galaxy is being done with PC, Mac and Linux in mind."

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2014/06/gogcom-announce-galaxy-their-optional-client-linux-support-to-come

In March 2015 the wishlist was marked in progress by them.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/release_the_gog_galaxy_client_for_linux

Then in 2017 they said no progress had been done on it yet then they went silent forever about it but still kept it marked in progress because whoever runs their public relations department needs to be fired.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/looks-like-gog-galaxy-wont-come-to-linux-any-time-soon-as-its-not-a-priority.10183/
Post edited November 13, 2021 by Frogmancer
Posted November 13, 2021
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aCyborg: wait they did at one point say they were going to make Linux version of Gog galaxy?
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Frogmancer: In June 2014 they said: "We're not forgetting Linux guys. We'll be giving more info later this year.
Galaxy is being done with PC, Mac and Linux in mind."

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2014/06/gogcom-announce-galaxy-their-optional-client-linux-support-to-come

In March 2015 the wishlist was marked in progress by them.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/release_the_gog_galaxy_client_for_linux

Then in 2017 they said no progress had been done on it yet then they went silent forever about it but still kept it marked in progress because whoever runs their public relations department needs to be fired.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/looks-like-gog-galaxy-wont-come-to-linux-any-time-soon-as-its-not-a-priority.10183/
that's unfortunate
Posted November 13, 2021
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darktjm: How would that help?
Nobody is going to support all of them. Asking for all of them to be supported is unreasonable.
Posted November 13, 2021
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darktjm: How would that help?
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DoomSooth: Nobody is going to support all of them. Asking for all of them to be supported is unreasonable.
First you would need to convince all of the corporate ones that submit patches upstream like IBM since they own Red Hat now, SUSE (SUSE Linux Enterprise), Oracle (Oracle Linux), good luck even trying to get a meeting with the board of companies that are worth billions, let alone been able to convince them to all merge projects.
Post edited November 13, 2021 by Frogmancer
Posted November 13, 2021
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chaostheory6682: As time goes on GoG has actually gotten less friendly toward the Linux community rather than better. Personally this has resulted in me using the platform and store much less. Sometimes, and too often, they even refuse to offer versions of games that have Linux native options available. When going to a game's website or to Steam, you will see that a Linux version is available, but when you see the same game on this platform it excludes the Linux option. This is very frustrating. I wish they would do better by Linux gamers -- and at least make an attempt to offer Linux versions if they are available. Instead it is starting to look like they are engaged in some sort of silent cold war against Linux that has only gotten worse with time.
The problem is that many developers doesn't take the time to support Linux because it doesn't worth it on GOG, it barely worth it on Steam for the number of Linux users (1% and less than 0.8% the users of Ubuntu). Small companies support it because it's a work of passion, but the biggers companies just see the numers.
Posted November 13, 2021
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chaostheory6682: As time goes on GoG has actually gotten less friendly toward the Linux community rather than better. Personally this has resulted in me using the platform and store much less. Sometimes, and too often, they even refuse to offer versions of games that have Linux native options available. When going to a game's website or to Steam, you will see that a Linux version is available, but when you see the same game on this platform it excludes the Linux option. This is very frustrating. I wish they would do better by Linux gamers -- and at least make an attempt to offer Linux versions if they are available. Instead it is starting to look like they are engaged in some sort of silent cold war against Linux that has only gotten worse with time.
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Ruvika: The problem is that many developers doesn't take the time to support Linux because it doesn't worth it on GOG, it barely worth it on Steam for the number of Linux users (1% and less than 0.8% the users of Ubuntu). Small companies support it because it's a work of passion, but the biggers companies just see the numers.
Though Steam has over 1 billion accounts since 2019 so a small amount is still millions of Linux users on Steam and when developers post purchase information Mac and Linux purchases are about the same for most games.

Go and see GOG games like Northgard they list GOG Galaxy is required for multiplayer in the system requirements so the Linux port is a gimped version with the multiplayer stripped out.

The Galaxy SDK is like Valves Steamworks, developers on Steam can build their games against it for all platforms for cloud saves, achievements and multiplayer, but developers who add a Linux port on GOG need to strip all of that out and make it a separate thing from the GOG Windows and Mac port due to no Galaxy SDK for Linux which is GOG causing loads of extra work for the developers who support Linux compared to Valve and their amazing support.
Post edited November 13, 2021 by Frogmancer
Posted November 14, 2021
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darktjm: How would that help?
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DoomSooth: Nobody is going to support all of them. Asking for all of them to be supported is unreasonable.
Thank you for clipping out the rest of my comment. I repeat: there is nothing wrong with only supporting one popular distribution. They already do. Sticking to only one distro has not helped. Forcing everyone to conform, like the Windows drones, not only goes completely against the grain of everyone (including Windows users, who eventually like to customize their system), evidence shows it would not change a thing. So screw you and everyone else who thinks they can dictate what I run on my machine. You're just one step away from just saying "why doesn't everyone just use the latest Microsoft Windows offering?".
Post edited November 14, 2021 by darktjm
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