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General discussionWhy is GoG so unfriendly toward Linux?(206 posts)(206 posts)
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Posted November 15, 2021
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DoomSooth: You seriously think Microsoft doesn't have the ability and money to make that happen if they wanted to?
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vv221: You seriously think Microsoft stays in the outsider place on the console front because the don’t want to be the dominant player?

That they decided to let all the exclusives to Sony and Nintendo just because… because what by the way? Because they’re nice people and want to keep a healthy concurrence?

The only skills of Microsoft are in the legal department. On the technical side of things, they already lost the battle for servers. And the battle for phones. And the battle of Web browsers. They do not even manage to impose their app store on their own system!
nah , i asked bill not to let ps kids play on xbox
Posted November 15, 2021
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vv221: ... Microsoft ... lost the battle ... Web browsers
The numbers for Edge are surprisingly high. Guess making Edge open every sort of file by default, including PDF's was the right move. Wich brings the question, why anyone sane would open a off line PDF with a web browser?
Posted November 15, 2021
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vv221: ...because the don’t want to be the dominant player?
I think it definitely goes for Linux users and their countless distributions. Might as well try to herd cats. Gabe is probably your only hope.
Posted November 15, 2021
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Dark_art_: The numbers for Edge are surprisingly high.
Edge is only a skin for Google Chrome, that’s why I said they lost on this front too.
Microsoft’s Web browser is developed by Google ;)
Post edited November 15, 2021 by vv221
Posted November 16, 2021
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Time4Tea: Has anyone made a gaming-focused Linux distro (i.e. prebuilt with all the required Wine libraries, emulators, Steam app, etc.)? Someone must have done by now.
Garuda Linux offer a gaming option with all the linux launcher for gaming i copy/past the download description

What is the gaming Edition ?

The Gaming edition has the same tweaks and looks as the regular dr460nized edition. It comes preinstalled with lot of software that a linux gamer might need.
Included software:
Launchers:
Steam, Heroic Games Launcher, itch, Lutris, Minigalaxy WINE, Boxtron, Proton GE custom, DXVK, faudio, vkd3d GOverlay, ReplaySorcery, SteamTinkerLaunch, MangoHud, Gamemode and vkBasalt
Tools:
CoreCtrl, DisplayCAL, NoiseTorch, OBS Studio, KeyboardVisualizer, OpenRGB, FancontrolGUI and Piper
Communication:
Discord, Mumble
Emulators:
Retroarch (with all cores)
Virtualization:
Virt-manager (a frontent for QEMU/KVM and libvirt)
Games:
kde-games and others
Posted November 16, 2021
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vv221: ... Microsoft ... lost the battle ... Web browsers
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Dark_art_: The numbers for Edge are surprisingly high. Guess making Edge open every sort of file by default, including PDF's was the right move. Wich brings the question, why anyone sane would open a off line PDF with a web browser?
it is a good browser thats all
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Time4Tea: Has anyone made a gaming-focused Linux distro (i.e. prebuilt with all the required Wine libraries, emulators, Steam app, etc.)? Someone must have done by now.
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Mugiwarah: Garuda Linux offer a gaming option with all the linux launcher for gaming i copy/past the download description

What is the gaming Edition ?

The Gaming edition has the same tweaks and looks as the regular dr460nized edition. It comes preinstalled with lot of software that a linux gamer might need.
Included software:
Launchers:
Steam, Heroic Games Launcher, itch, Lutris, Minigalaxy WINE, Boxtron, Proton GE custom, DXVK, faudio, vkd3d GOverlay, ReplaySorcery, SteamTinkerLaunch, MangoHud, Gamemode and vkBasalt
Tools:
CoreCtrl, DisplayCAL, NoiseTorch, OBS Studio, KeyboardVisualizer, OpenRGB, FancontrolGUI and Piper
Communication:
Discord, Mumble
Emulators:
Retroarch (with all cores)
Virtualization:
Virt-manager (a frontent for QEMU/KVM and libvirt)
Games:
kde-games and others
what a bloated mess , itch? comeon
Post edited November 16, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted November 16, 2021
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Orkhepaj: what a bloated mess , itch? comeon
I didn't said it's perfect but he asked for something with launcher preinstalled and i just saw it a few weeks ago. And unlike in windows, it's easy to remove '' bloat'' from linux.
Posted November 16, 2021
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Orkhepaj: what a bloated mess , itch? comeon
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Mugiwarah: I didn't said it's perfect but he asked for something with launcher preinstalled and i just saw it a few weeks ago. And unlike in windows, it's easy to remove '' bloat'' from linux.
it is easy in windows , just uninstall
Posted November 16, 2021
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Orkhepaj: it is easy in windows , just uninstall
I'd like to know how you did to remove One Drive or Cortana with uninstall. Most of their bloatware are not even listed in program and some didn't have the option to uninstall them not speaking about removing all the spyware after each update.
Posted November 16, 2021
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Orkhepaj: it is easy in windows , just uninstall
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Mugiwarah: I'd like to know how you did to remove One Drive or Cortana with uninstall. Most of their bloatware are not even listed in program and some didn't have the option to uninstall them not speaking about removing all the spyware after each update.
what spyware?:O
do you have evidence or you just made this up?

Settings->Apps->Apps+Features-> Microsoft Onedrive -> uninstall
is this so hard?
Post edited November 16, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted November 16, 2021
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Mugiwarah: I'd like to know how you did to remove One Drive or Cortana with uninstall. Most of their bloatware are not even listed in program and some didn't have the option to uninstall them not speaking about removing all the spyware after each update.
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Orkhepaj: what spyware?:O
do you have evidence or you just made this up?

Settings->Apps->Apps+Features-> Microsoft Onedrive -> uninstall
is this so hard?
What about Cortana?
Posted November 16, 2021
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Orkhepaj: what spyware?:O
do you have evidence or you just made this up?

Settings->Apps->Apps+Features-> Microsoft Onedrive -> uninstall
is this so hard?
Almost any action you made on windows 10 is reported by default, just check the settings and you'll see that they all tell you that they report to Microsoft on the confidentiality settings and some spyware aren't deactivated easily as they are not showed at all in the setting.

Last time i tried to removed One Drive like this it didn't removed completely and remain on my program
Posted November 16, 2021
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WinterSnowfall: Linux never was and never will be a gaming-focused OS, even in 100 years. It is whatever anyone makes of it - and if Valve wants to invest in spinning off their own version of a specialized gaming platform based on Proton (and they are, thanks mostly in part to the Steam Deck), I see no impediments to that becoming a reality. The issue is with time, money, backing and drive more than anything else - as a history lesson, macOS was spun off from Unix with a particular goal in mind.
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Time4Tea: Has anyone made a gaming-focused Linux distro (i.e. prebuilt with all the required Wine libraries, emulators, Steam app, etc.)? Someone must have done by now.
Not only about gaming (but also other media content etc.), but one of the reasons I decided to use Linux Mint was that they didn't seem to have quite as hardcore view on "everything must be open source" etc., ie. Linux Mint might include e.g. proprietary video decoders or graphics drivers etc. That just appeared to me that Mint developers were more interested in making the distro usable for home users than being true to some Linux ideals.

I am unsure what the purpose of a dedicated Linux distro with preinstalled WINE, Steam client, Lutris, ScummVM, emulators etc. would be, as it isn't harder to install those as it is in Windows. It would be similar idea as a Windows edition with all such stuff pre-installed: what would be the point? At least I prefer to install such utilities myself because it may be I want to use a different utility or emulator than what the distro maker had in mind.

That said, there is e.g. "RetroPie" for Raspberry Pi4, which is a dedicated "gaming/emulator" Linux release for Rasperry Pi. Still, I personally rather use a generic Linus distro on my Raspberry Pi4, and install all that gaming stuff myself...

EDIT: Rojimboo pretty much said this same already...
Post edited November 16, 2021 by timppu
Posted November 16, 2021
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timppu: Not only about gaming (but also other media content etc.), but one of the reasons I decided to use Linux Mint was that they didn't seem to have quite as hardcore view on "everything must be open source" etc., ie. Linux Mint might include e.g. proprietary video decoders or graphics drivers etc. That just appeared to me that Mint developers were more interested in making the distro usable for home users than being true to some Linux ideals.
Personally, I think I'd prefer this middle ground:
* Free software is installed by default, with no confirmation prompts (unless there'd be one for other reasons, like if the package manager has to remove other packages, especially essential packages like glibc, to install it).
* Non-free software should be installable, but there should be a prompt every time, so it would be necessary to individually opt in to each non-free package you want to install. In particular, installing one non-free package should not bypass the prompt for installing other non-free packages.

Neither debian nor gentoo (the two distros I've seriously used) is quite satisfactory:
* In debian, once you add non-free, all non-free packages will be installed without further special prompts; the system doesn't tell you when you're about to install a non-free package.
* In gentoo, assuming you have a suitable value for ACCEPT_LICENSE (and you should if you're like me and want to avoid non-free software), you need to manually edit a certain file to add each package whose non-free license you want to accept; it's not as simple as a confirmation prompt.
Posted November 16, 2021
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timppu: ...
Have you ever tried Pop OS?
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