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Cyraxpt: Hatoful Boyfriend - Around 120k steam players[..]
I'm guessing it requires a certain level of sucess so that they accept the games here...
Ugh.. why is that Hatoful crap so high?
Anyway, I hope that Gog isn't relying only on other stores' second hand stats to choose new games :\
Post edited June 07, 2015 by phaolo
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Cyraxpt: Hatoful Boyfriend - Around 120k steam players[..]
I'm guessing it requires a certain level of sucess so that they accept the games here...
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phaolo: Ugh.. why is that Hatoful crap so high?
Anyway, I hope that Gog isn't relying only on other stores' second hand stats to choose new games :\
Dunno, nonsensical/humorous games seems to be quite sucessful on steam (with a bit of help of streamers).
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apehater: why shouldn't they refuse. there are plenty other stuff to do, before even considering to sell vn's here
Yeah, well that argument can be said about just about any other game or genre.

Why bother to add any new LucasArts games while the new my account page can't even find all existing Sierra Quest games by filtering for "adventure".

I don't think adding few VNs would really hit GOG badly... or if it did, then things are much worse than we have been let to believe (like another Desura or something).

Now that I happened to mention Desura, this would be an ideal moment for GOG to capture (some of) VN customerbase, who is worried about VNs on Desura disappearing if Desura is closed for good.


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KneeTheCap: Believe it or not, Visual Novels have a pretty decent sized fanbase, and if GOG chooses to alienate them, it's a real shame. But it's GOG's call, maybe they don't want to get more customers and money.
Exactly.
It may not be a goldmine necessarily, but there's very few genres who have such a dedicated fanbase as VNs. There are several fan translation pages on the net and such.


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Telika: How is "visual novel" defined, in that context ?

Are visual novels interactive (besides clicking the 'next' button) ? Are "fighting fantasy" books visual novels ?
Any genre can be defined by many ways, but usually a visual novel is an interactive computer program, which tells some kind of narrative through text and optional audiovisual enhancements, and more often than not has some kind of branching system which may lead to different kind of storylines and endings.

An oversimplified definition might be "an adventure game without puzzles".


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KneeTheCap: I never saw the appeal of flying simulators, but yet they are here.

Edit. Or platformers. What is up with people playing those?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: But flight simulators are actually games.

And they don't need japanimation nudity.
Yeah, but flight simulators would be that much better with Japanese manga styled stewardesses taking of their uniforms. :-P

Seriously though, the "flight simulators" you are thinking about are probably airforce/combat simulators. There are many flight simulators which have no real objectives, as in, "are not games that can be lost or completed". By usual definition VNs have a narrative which has a beginning and an end, making them more gamelike than many simulators.


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whalebiologist: I would like to see visual novels here. I never understood the rejection of sex in video games but the embrace of violence. And I'm guessing visual novel's reputation for involving sexual themes are the reason they are absent.

Just because a game deals with 18+ material doesn't mean it's a bad game either.
Yeah, there are games on GOG, like CarmaGeddon, which actually reward driving over and killing pedestrians. I find it hard to see how that is more appropriate than seeing manga styled sex scenes.

(Not that I'm against CarmaGeddon, I loved the original and backed the remake on KS.)

Of course there are many VNs which don't have any sex scenes, so it's a bit weird if the entire genre gets a bad reputation because of those. And then there's the fact that Leisure Suit Larry already exists on GOG...

(Not that I'm against Leisure Suit Larry, I loved the original and backed the remake on KS.)
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Quercus.724: So, why are Visual Novels being refused on GOG. Does anyone know?
I think you're making a big assumption here. Are you sure GOG are refusing them because they're visual novels?

IMO you're making the same mistake as the people who assumed Hatred was refused because of its content. We don't know why GOG refuses things, perhaps sometimes it's simply that they don't think it's a good game?
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P1na: As much as I like their curated approach, I'd like them to be more open about their acceptance criteria.
Me too, but I think that remaining quiet is more professional in a lot of ways.
Post edited June 07, 2015 by SirPrimalform
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skeletonbow: snip
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SirPrimalform: Me too, but I think that remaining quiet is more professional in a lot of ways.
You're both probably right, but I'd still like to know. It all seems so random and frustrating at the moment.
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MaximumBunny: So in conclusion we can assume that they defer it all to the team they hired whom seem to decide everything on a whim rather than on any logical methodology. They were probably hipster interns that turned into power mongers after a while. If they got fired GOG would make much more sensible decisions for sure.
I think they make the devs sign a non-disclosure agreement and then play rock-paper-scissors against them to decide whether the game will get released.
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P1na: You're both probably right, but I'd still like to know. It all seems so random and frustrating at the moment.
As I say, rock-paper-scissors.
Post edited June 07, 2015 by SirPrimalform
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apehater: why shouldn't they refuse. there are plenty other stuff to do, before even considering to sell vn's here
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PixelBoy: Yeah, well that argument can be said about just about any other game or genre.

Why bother to add any new LucasArts games while the new my account page can't even find all existing Sierra Quest games by filtering for "adventure".

I don't think adding few VNs would really hit GOG badly... or if it did, then things are much worse than we have been let to believe (like another Desura or something).

Now that I happened to mention Desura, this would be an ideal moment for GOG to capture (some of) VN customerbase, who is worried about VNs on Desura disappearing if Desura is closed for good.

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KneeTheCap: Believe it or not, Visual Novels have a pretty decent sized fanbase, and if GOG chooses to alienate them, it's a real shame. But it's GOG's call, maybe they don't want to get more customers and money.
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PixelBoy: Exactly.
It may not be a goldmine necessarily, but there's very few genres who have such a dedicated fanbase as VNs. There are several fan translation pages on the net and such.

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Telika: How is "visual novel" defined, in that context ?

Are visual novels interactive (besides clicking the 'next' button) ? Are "fighting fantasy" books visual novels ?
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PixelBoy: Any genre can be defined by many ways, but usually a visual novel is an interactive computer program, which tells some kind of narrative through text and optional audiovisual enhancements, and more often than not has some kind of branching system which may lead to different kind of storylines and endings.

An oversimplified definition might be "an adventure game without puzzles".

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pimpmonkey2382.313: But flight simulators are actually games.

And they don't need japanimation nudity.
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PixelBoy: Yeah, but flight simulators would be that much better with Japanese manga styled stewardesses taking of their uniforms. :-P

Seriously though, the "flight simulators" you are thinking about are probably airforce/combat simulators. There are many flight simulators which have no real objectives, as in, "are not games that can be lost or completed". By usual definition VNs have a narrative which has a beginning and an end, making them more gamelike than many simulators.

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whalebiologist: I would like to see visual novels here. I never understood the rejection of sex in video games but the embrace of violence. And I'm guessing visual novel's reputation for involving sexual themes are the reason they are absent.

Just because a game deals with 18+ material doesn't mean it's a bad game either.
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PixelBoy: Yeah, there are games on GOG, like CarmaGeddon, which actually reward driving over and killing pedestrians. I find it hard to see how that is more appropriate than seeing manga styled sex scenes.

(Not that I'm against CarmaGeddon, I loved the original and backed the remake on KS.)

Of course there are many VNs which don't have any sex scenes, so it's a bit weird if the entire genre gets a bad reputation because of those. And then there's the fact that Leisure Suit Larry already exists on GOG...

(Not that I'm against Leisure Suit Larry, I loved the original and backed the remake on KS.)
Not really, most flight simulators are indeed combat, with it's own scenario, objectives, missions, etc. VN's are basically choose a response until the thing ends, and maybe see a drawn vagina.
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Ixamyakxim: I thought the TellTale games were here?

*bum dum cha*
even though it is a joke you are not far off from the truth
those things are basically visual novels as well with a illusion of free choice but you are shunted down the same path the story dictates anyway
your choices have no effect
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Not really, most flight simulators are indeed combat, with it's own scenario, objectives, missions, etc. VN's are basically choose a response until the thing ends, and maybe see a drawn vagina.
So basically you're saying that VNs are better, yes?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Not really, most flight simulators are indeed combat, with it's own scenario, objectives, missions, etc. VN's are basically choose a response until the thing ends, and maybe see a drawn vagina.
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F4LL0UT: So basically you're saying that VNs are better, yes?
Yeah except the exact opposite. :p
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Cyraxpt: I'm guessing it requires a certain level of sucess so that they accept the games here...
I supposed you used Steamspy to fetch those numbers. Well I could pick some games that are on GoG (not VN/RPGs) and they have lower players than mine :)
But that doesn't mean much, games can perform differently on different portals.

Those saying that "VN's are basically choose a response until the thing ends, and maybe see a drawn vagina." lol need to play more VNs :)
(for sure many japanese VN are like that, I agree)

In particular my recent RPG/VN. They can't just choose a response, they have to play the RPG part ;)
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Cyraxpt: I'm guessing it requires a certain level of sucess so that they accept the games here...
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jack_norton: I supposed you used Steamspy to fetch those numbers. Well I could pick some games that are on GoG (not VN/RPGs) and they have lower players than mine :)
But that doesn't mean much, games can perform differently on different portals.

Those saying that "VN's are basically choose a response until the thing ends, and maybe see a drawn vagina." lol need to play more VNs :)
(for sure many japanese VN are like that, I agree)

In particular my recent RPG/VN. They can't just choose a response, they have to play the RPG part ;)
Mind you that my intention wasn't to belittle your games, i only mentioned them because i'm not really informed about those games and i wouldn't know what to search so i use the ones that were mentioned in this thread.

And yes, i used Steamspy since other developers said that was somewhat accurate, as for the rest, i don't know, it's just a theory and we can't forget that there are too many variables, are those games new releases? Were they on a bundle (that boosts the numbers on steamspy if im not mistaken)? etc.
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phaolo: Ugh.. why is that Hatoful crap so high?
Have you at least tried it?
Ah, ouch, damn. There are some OUTSTANDING visual novels out there. GoG has to accept at least some, at the very least the mainstream and popular ones! Come on, gog...
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phaolo: Ugh.. why is that Hatoful crap so high?
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Vitek: Have you at least tried it?
No no, I've just peeked at an LP and it felt ludricrous.
It's just my taste however, you can love whatever (pigeon) you want :P
Post edited June 07, 2015 by phaolo