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"A Polish company, during a time of democracy, is bowing to a the Communist Party of another nation."

The above is the TL/DR for those who only seek headlines. For others, here is the big wall of text:
CDPR is a Polish company. The country of Poland has a rich and well documented history when it comes to communism and what it has done to the nation. The countless dead, poverty and the loss of cultural identity are all real things that happened there. For those who know history, know that this is the natural outcome of communism.

Yes, I have products of China in my home, there is no avoiding it. But if I can help it, I do anything in my power to put it to a absolute minimum. I can help myself when it comes to gaming, mainly retro gaming, to avoid giving money to China or even power. Now we are at the point that a Polish company, disregarding their own history, is actively seeking positive feedback from communist China. Being a guy that studies history, my stomach turned in a bad way.

So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.

Let's end with a positive though, I'm glad I could download my games to put them on my own backup server. This part of GOG has always been awesome and during a break-up, makes it that much easier to leave.

Have a great day all.
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Chielus86: Yes, I have products of China in my home, there is no avoiding it. But if I can help it, I do anything in my power to put it to a absolute minimum. I can help myself when it comes to gaming, mainly retro gaming, to avoid giving money to China or even power. Now we are at the point that a Polish company, disregarding their own history, is actively seeking positive feedback from communist China. Being a guy that studies history, my stomach turned in a bad way.
Same here. But I have noticed I have more Taiwanese and Korean hardware than mainland Chinese ones.

Besides, Xi Jing Poh has been talking about closing the Chinese economy again (because their PR to the West is great but, as many international observers have pointed out, they are mostly broke (how lucky of them Orange Man seems to be leaving office...). This means more companies have more incentives to do a Samsung and transfer all factories away from mainland China.
I think leaving GOG (or deleting an account) over this is a bit too much, but completely understandable.
If this is your line in the sand, then it is.

What else can you really do that makes GOG aware of your displeasure?

Being vocal about points of contention is good, but continue buying stuff makes the voice sound hollow.
Being vocal, and trimming down you wishlist and vowing to buy less games hurts their coffers more, while still supporting DRM-free games. Because sadly, it's about the only major player with regards to that.
Being vocal and deleting you account/leaving, will probably make you buy games on either steam or epic.
Which would betray both your anti-china stance, and the anti-DRM stance. I.E being a hypocrite.
There's a 4th option of course, but it's more of a stalemate.

The situation is quite a predicament, and there's no obvious choice for anyone.
The main thing to do at least, is to be vocal which gives them bad PR and hurts their bottom-line.
Or be vocal and buy less games, which also hurts their bottom-line.
While still supporting DRM-free games.

(Now, if there was another major platform that offered DRM-free games with offline installers....that would definitely be the obvious choice.)
Reminds me of that time when the EU was eying sanctioning Poland over their disregard to democratic standards... ah, wait, that is now.
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Chielus86: So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.
Are you trying to tell me that you will love China when it will turn from communism to democracy?
I do not believe you. Because Russia turned from communism to democracy and it is still the most, №1 hated country on the West and NATO-block countries.

Because It is all about competition and you will prefer your competitor to be dead, than to compete with him in a fair manner.
Thus you use boycotting, protectionism, propaganda, blah-blah-blah, to protect yourself and get rid of competition.
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Vendor-Lazarus: Which would betray both your anti-china stance, and the anti-DRM stance. I.E being a hypocrite.
This comment hurts, mainly because it is true, as happens with most true words. Yes, I do have a steam account and no, I haven't purchased anything last few years. If Steam had the (again: great policy) of downloading your games DRM free as GoG does, I would have left it years ago.
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Vendor-Lazarus: If this is your line in the sand, then it is
It is. I do not hold GoG to a standard I would not use on another entity, and previous rights don't make up for current wrongs. I try to be consistent, again I know I could/should delete steam all together to avoid being a hypocrite at this moment, as much as I can and/or is feasible.

When Microsoft Windows Vista came, so did their "everything you own is now ours" policy. That day I moved to Linux and never returned to Windows or any Microsoft code. I gave away my iPhone when the scandals of their factories came to light, now using a Nokia (with Linux as OS). I don't buy my food from large supermarkets as they tend to screw over farmers.

It's not a easy lifestyle, it's not even something I recommend to others. But I need to be able to look in the mirror when I brush my teeth and not feel disgusted that I let my easy lifestyle make things worse for another. And right now, CDPR is taking a piss on their own countries history/tombstones and ever so slightly increasing the power of a oppressive regime. As a consumer I have a choice: be part of that or not. I choose not.

As a final note: Where do I go now to play games? Well, nowhere I guess. That is why I don't advice anybody to follow my path unless they morally align. It sucks, it really does.
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Chielus86: So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.
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vsr: Are you trying to tell me that you will love China when it will turn from communism to democracy?
I do not believe you. Because Russia turned from communism to democracy and it is still the most, №1 hated country on the West and NATO-block countries.

Because It is all about competition and you will prefer your competitor to be dead, than to compete with him in a fair manner.
Thus you use boycotting, protectionism, propaganda, blah-blah-blah, to protect yourself and get rid of competition.
I like Russia post-communism. I have always liked Russians as a people, just as I like the Chinese as a people.

I dislike the current regime and anybody willing to kiss their feet. And what my government thinks of Russia or China is not in any way important to me or a guideline to my personal stances.
Post edited December 21, 2020 by user deleted
This is not an airport.
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Chielus86: I like Russia post-communism. I have always liked Russians as a people, just as I like the Chinese as a people.

I dislike the current regime and anybody willing to kiss their feet. And what my government thinks of Russia or China is not in any way important to me or a guideline to my personal stances.
It is the same as to say: "I love Russians, but i don't like how they look, how they talk, how they work, how they think, how they behave, how they elect theirs president, basically i don't like everything they do..., but overall i love Russians". :D

If you love someone, you should respect them and theirs choices. If they love Communism - OK, it's theirs choice and it's theirs life.
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vsr: It is the same as to say: "I love Russians, but i don't like how they look, how they talk, how they work, how they think, how they behave, how they elect theirs president, basically i don't like everything they do..., but overall i love Russians". :D

If you love someone, you should respect them and theirs choices. If they love Communism - OK, it's theirs choice and it's theirs life.
I like Russian:
- Food
- History
- Culture
- Architecture
- People
- Clothing
- Hackers
- President Putin
- Those little dolls which I always forget how they are called but slide into each other
- Tundra's / Wildlife

I dislike Russian:
- You. As you are demanding to be some sort of victim here. It's quite sad.
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Chielus86: - Those little dolls which I always forget how they are called but slide into each other
Babushka/Matryoshka doll.
Part of this debate misses the point.

Like, "have you left Steam"?

What do you mean, stop buying games there or using the obligatory app to play the games you already own? If you still uses the app but never buy games there you have "left Steam" in a sense - the one that matters.

When I say "no more GOG for me" I don't mean I will not, say, use Galaxy (although it is likely because it is not needed), only I won't be buying more games here (in my case, I won't be buying games here preferably, which basically means never buying it here since games here are way more expensive than elsewhere in my region overall).
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RafaelRamus: Part of this debate misses the point.

Like, "have you left Steam"?

What do you mean, stop buying games there or using the obligatory app to play the games you already own? If you still uses the app but never buy games there you have "left Steam" in a sense - the one that matters.

When I say "no more GOG for me" I don't mean I will not, say, use Galaxy (although it is likely because it is not needed), only I won't be buying more games here (in my case, I won't be buying games here preferably, which basically means never buying it here since games here are way more expensive than elsewhere in my region overall).
I stopped using the steam application as well as stopped any purchases there. That said, I really love to play Stellaris on the Saturday evening (which I sadly bought there) and after requesting Paradox for a transfer to a stand-alone copy, they were sadly not able to.

In order to run it, I have to use some trickery to fool the game into thinking that steam is running, when it's only a dummy-daemon. But yeah, as I said, your comment hurt because it was true, technically I'm still being a hypocrite even with a workaround.

I guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is. Or well, retract my money where my morals are. Time to remove it as well.

Cheers for calling me out btw.
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my name is sadde catte: This is not an airport.
GOG is actually a Z O.O.
(there are some more letters, probably meaning a special z o.o.)
Post edited December 21, 2020 by Titanium
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If you leave for this, you better stop living as every business in the world bow to China not only GOG.
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Mugiwarah: If you leave for this, you better stop living as every business in the world bow to China not only GOG.
I know that I cannot avoid it all together. Heck, now with these facemask regulations I am depended on their industry to be able to leave the house. So it's not like I live in some rainbow-fluffy-duffy-world where it's so easy to not support such a regime with money.

That said: This is something I can actually do. Therefor it's something that I will do.