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I won't leave.

I'll keep browsing the forums, checking out any "new old" games that come out, use my existing games on gog galaxy, etc.

But what I won't do is buy new games from them. Not until devotion is released. I'll use their products, but I won't give them more money until the censorship stops. If it does stop I'll be right here ready to spend money.
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Leroux: You appear to have joined in December 2020 only, so you might not know how many times already GOG has done something ill advised or messed up and failed to deal with it in an appropriate fashion afterwards, mostly glossing over it instead.
In full agreement here - the dropping of the "fair price" guarantee, submitting purchase data to third parties (which has now resurfaced with their use of Google Pay), neglect of offline installers, shoving Galaxy in everyone's face even when it breaks compatibility with older OSes and even skirting around their basic DRM-free promise by having optional content that requires activation.
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Leroux: Not sure whether it really makes sense to stop buying games here or leave the community for good - the games are still DRM-free, even if offline installers are not a priority anymore, and the forums are entertaining -, but I definitely won't speak highly of them or recommend them over other stores anymore...
Good point here also - account closure means losing access to those installers not an issue if you keep multiple backups - but you also lose access to any updates which could be significant for those with "In Dev" games in their library.

Stopping (or reducing) GOG purchases would be pretty much as effective as long as people post that they are doing this and why. I switched to only purchasing "significantly discounted" (70%+) games a few years ago and have been reducing volume of games purchases since (just 10 orders this year).

It's a pity to see a rebel reducing itself to mediocrity, but market forces can provide their own solution and the alternative DRM-free providers mentioned previously have the chance to fill the void that GOG management seems intent on creating.
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Yes! Give us your dramatic six paragraph verbal diareha about how you will majestically leave GOG and go to Steam or whatever other store front that does even more shitier things.
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RafaelRamus: [...] since games here are way more expensive than elsewhere in my region overall
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_Auster_: Sincere question, but are they? I've only seem a few games here that are more expensive than a few centavos if compared to Steam.
Although I pretty much loathe Steam, if you count places that sell you steamkeys (like Humble) and then keeps being updated about sales, well, yeah, there is a "not so insignificant" difference. Before becoming more of a GOG loyalist that's how I used to buy games and it just opens your options so much...
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Yeshu: Yes! Give us your dramatic six paragraph verbal diareha about how you will majestically leave GOG and go to Steam or whatever other store front that does even more shitier things.
Account removal is pending by support. So yes, leaving the platform and no, there is nothing majestic about it. My Steam account is pending removal as well, but that is still in the stage of "ticket has no reply yet" where GOG replied and started the progress the same day.

I act based on the way I speak, I speak based on my actions. End of story.
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samuraigaiden: Newsflash: whatever problem you have with China and it's influence over the rest of the world, videogame companies can't do anything about it.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Sure they can.

It's real simple. GOG can a) not bend the knee to the CCP and b) release Devotion on GOG.

There is literally nothing that China could do to prevent that from happening, should GOG choose to do that.
A state level DDOS attack? GoG can hardly stand upto a good sale

Leverage its various business interests against CDPR?

Officially Outlaw CDPR products, and quite literally decimate (or even higher than 10%) their income?

There is Literally a shedload of very serious things China and its agents could do with very little repercussions (see the Russian nerve agent attacks).

It's real simple
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Sure they can.

It's real simple. GOG can a) not bend the knee to the CCP and b) release Devotion on GOG.

There is literally nothing that China could do to prevent that from happening, should GOG choose to do that.
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mechmouse: A state level DDOS attack? GoG can hardly stand upto a good sale

Leverage its various business interests against CDPR?

Officially Outlaw CDPR products, and quite literally decimate (or even higher than 10%) their income?

There is Literally a shedload of very serious things China and its agents could do with very little repercussions (see the Russian nerve agent attacks).

It's real simple
and then eu should ban all china products
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mechmouse: A state level DDOS attack? GoG can hardly stand upto a good sale

Leverage its various business interests against CDPR?

Officially Outlaw CDPR products, and quite literally decimate (or even higher than 10%) their income?

There is Literally a shedload of very serious things China and its agents could do with very little repercussions (see the Russian nerve agent attacks).

It's real simple
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Orkhepaj: and then eu should ban all china products
Here is the sad truth, it already should have been. Not because it's China, or politically related, but for other reasons:

- It's illegal to sell slave-made products in the EU, yet we sell Chinese sweatshop items like there is no tomorrow

- Products should be made within a limit of carbon production, those exceeding should not be sold in the EU and China being the smog-capitol of the world, is likely not meeting that standard

- Being a electronics tinkerer/hacker myself, I have yet to find a single Chinese product that upholds any of the safety regulations of any sane country in the world. Yet Chinese "tech" is used and sold everywhere
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Orkhepaj: and then eu should ban all china products
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Chielus86: Here is the sad truth, it already should have been. Not because it's China, or politically related, but for other reasons:

- It's illegal to sell slave-made products in the EU, yet we sell Chinese sweatshop items like there is no tomorrow

- Products should be made within a limit of carbon production, those exceeding should not be sold in the EU and China being the smog-capitol of the world, is likely not meeting that standard

- Being a electronics tinkerer/hacker myself, I have yet to find a single Chinese product that upholds any of the safety regulations of any sane country in the world. Yet Chinese "tech" is used and sold everywhere
i didnt even know there are such laws here , even more reasons to decouple china entirely
i wouldn't mind at all to have fewer products in result
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Chielus86: ...And yes, Karl Marx was a complete and utter imbecile.
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Mafwek: Hardly, he was Jewish after all. And Jews are superior race and God's chosen people, after all.
He was the equivalent of today's spoiled college kid.
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Yeshu: Yes! Give us your dramatic six paragraph verbal diareha about how you will majestically leave GOG and go to Steam or whatever other store front that does even more shitier things.
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Chielus86: Account removal is pending by support. So yes, leaving the platform and no, there is nothing majestic about it. My Steam account is pending removal as well, but that is still in the stage of "ticket has no reply yet" where GOG replied and started the progress the same day.

I act based on the way I speak, I speak based on my actions. End of story.
And these actions mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things and are only made to stroke your over inflated ego.

Wanna do some real change? Get into politics and make a change in the system.
Post edited December 27, 2020 by Yeshu
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Mafwek: Hardly, he was Jewish after all. And Jews are superior race and God's chosen people, after all.
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Yeshu: He was the equivalent of today's spoiled college kid.
Today's spoiled college kids don't do anything, while Marx wrote a ton of things, many of it being substantial. I don't like Marx, but I respect how much he achieved while being even lazier than me.
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Chielus86: Here is the sad truth, it already should have been.
What? Still here.
Sad I know, but it is hard to leave such a unique game store, that isn't perfect, but at least it is better than the others.

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I don't think I know anyone who hates The Chinese ... as in the general populace. Same for Russians and even North Koreans. Most of us think of them as oppressed and they have our sympathies and empathy.
Many of us do hate their leaders though and the things done as a country.

As for Capitalism, it knows no friends and every competing business is an enemy regardless of country. Though of course every country favors its own homegrown businesses and wants to support them more, if they can.

Capitalism and Democracy can both be bad things if not implemented properly, if based on false notions and controlled by the greedy and selfish ... those who pretend to believe in the trickle down effect, even though it was disproved decades ago. Capitalism has been allowed to get out of hand in the Garden of Democracy, and seriously needs a good pruning ... needs to be reined in, put under wise control.

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Henny Penny the sky is falling. GOG rejected selling another game ... just weren't devoted enough to it ... didn't think the possible financial threat warranted the risk. How did they know so many wanted them to be the hero of the hour? Now they can't go back, even if they wanted to, or they will look foolish and weak.

Sometimes you just can't win my friends.
Post edited December 28, 2020 by Timboli
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Chielus86: Why I WILL leave GoG
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Timboli: Still here.
My thoughts exactly...it's now a week since he "left".

But then again: he only expressed his willingness to leave - he didn't mention a concrete date as to when exactly his departure is about to happen. ;)
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Timboli: Still here.
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BreOl72: My thoughts exactly...it's now a week since he "left".

But then again: he only expressed his willingness to leave - he didn't mention a concrete date as to when exactly his departure is about to happen. ;)
At the most at 21st of February. This is due to it being a manual process. The ticket itself is accepted and staff gave me that reply.

Reason for it taking that long is probably CP2077 and the fact that I wish to have a copy of my data in compliance with GDPR law.

Small edit: I have given my consent for removal at any moment when it's convenient for GOG. The 21st of February is simply the date they are required to do so by law. I expect to get my backup/removal sooner then that. Considering the fact that it will include my forum account, you should notice this by simply not seeing any of my posts, topics or name in general.
Post edited December 28, 2020 by user deleted
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Chielus86: At the most at 21st of February.
So you are still going to do it ........ honestly, I gotta shake my head at the ridiculous drama of it all.

In the end, the only loser will be you.
You are not going to effect anything other than yourself, with your false sense of GOG doing wrong.

If you ever find a better place, come back and let us know.

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I'll say it one more time.

GOG don't owe the developers of Devotion a single thing, just like all the others they turn away for whatever reason.
It's not up to GOG to be the poster boy against China, and they likely have sound financial reasons and agreements not to consider doing so, just for any old developer, who whether rightly or wrongly, is responsible for the situation with China.

Sure GOG have been the hero for DRM-Free and certain other game related aspects, but that doesn't mean they have do everything that crops up. At the end of the day, it is the store and customers that matter, not some Developer, many of whom haven't done exactly right by GOG and its customers over the years.

So stop expecting too much. Stop holding GOG to account, for what proved to be a silly thing by the developers. They even removed the offending stuff, which in my book is even more ridiculous, and doesn't earn my respect. They poked the bear ... what were they thinking in the first place, but once done live with it ... don't pretend it never happened ... only makes you look foolish for not considering things properly in the first place. And some wanted GOG to carry that torch ... get real.

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Another way to look at this, is that GOG are selling games into China, and that has to be a good thing ... outside of the financial gain. Those games can't all be checked by China, and much of their content will have lasting effect on players there. Positive things will come out of it, perhaps eventually the changes we all want.

Why should GOG jeopardize what is overall more important.

Like I've said elsewhere, sometimes you have to join with them (to a point) or embrace them to some degree to make change, and it doesn't happen overnight.
Post edited December 29, 2020 by Timboli