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Posted November 25, 2016
As usual: No more outdated or abandoned games.
Posted November 25, 2016
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RomanRichter: Those 2 examples are interesting exeptions
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timppu: What "exceptions"? Are you claiming that most GOG games don't get updates? That is not true at all, I see GOG versions getting updates all the time. Sometimes I almost wish e.g. Terraria would get updates less often, last week there were several daily updates.

It is the abandoned versions which are the exceptions. True, there should be no abandoned games at all (e.g. Slender Arrival etc.), but that is a far cry from implying that GOG doesn't care and that GOG games don't get updates.
I'm talking about abandoned games, and this 2 games are exeptions from them...
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phaolo: As usual: No more outdated or abandoned games.
Missed that, sry :D
Post edited November 25, 2016 by RomanRichter
Posted November 25, 2016
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RomanRichter: Missed that, sry :D
Hey no problem.
Hopefully Gog will check it too ; )
Posted November 25, 2016
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dtgreene: Real men don't use the phrase "real men".

(Sorry, but I had to say that.)
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Breja: How would you know? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uOMCfopR8
Posted November 25, 2016
My first rule of buying games on gog is "Don't buy games that might get patched". I've seen too many devs ignore patching the gog version.
Posted November 25, 2016
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clarry: What can GOG do? What do you think they can do?

I think you should whine at the developers, not at GOG. It isn't helpful to whine at GOG about something they cannot change. I'm sure they're doing what they can, but ultimately it's the developer who holds the keys to their code and binaries. It is not fair to complain at GOG.
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RomanRichter: So its whine or complain? Developers don't give a heck about GOG customers if you close at this. So maybe maybe GOG need to force devs to update their games properly?
It's GOG not GOD. They can't force anybody. And no developer's livelihood depends on GOG. GOG is too small.

At best, they can try make contracts that impose certain requirements on developers (and how do they enforce such a contract? Threaten with a lawsuit? That's where sane and lame developers alike will say fuck GOG and walk away). Guess what will happen? Even fewer developers release their games here. Even fewer will care, GOG will be even smaller. And in turn, GOG will have even less influence on such matters.

GOG isn't the problem, and GOG can't solve the problem, GOG isn't supporting such behavior. Like I said, I'm sure GOG is doing their best to remind the developers and persuade them to release their updates here. But they can't do much more than that, if devs are unwilling then so they are.

Go kindly complain at these developers please.
Post edited November 25, 2016 by clarry
Posted November 25, 2016
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clarry: ...
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Posted November 25, 2016
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Vainamoinen: I've said a few times and I'll gladly repeat that Valve could, as of tomorrow, decide to offer DRM free installers of all the games distributed on the platform, and developers could do jack shit against that.
You mean including games already on the platform, or just for future releases? Because I'm pretty sure the running contracts between Valve and the publishers explicitly demand the Steamworks DRM to be involved in the process. If Valve just drops that, they'd have lawsuits up their ass. Just remember what happened to CDPR when they patched out the DRM of the TW2 retail.
Posted November 25, 2016
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RomanRichter: Hi, I can't understand that, why gog support bad behavior from devs?

When dev drop support of gog release, GOG just don't care!
cause since 2014 gog slowly turned into a spineless, reckless, degenerated and assy steam-like abomination
Posted November 26, 2016
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Vainamoinen: I've said a few times and I'll gladly repeat that Valve could, as of tomorrow, decide to offer DRM free installers of all the games distributed on the platform, and developers could do jack shit against that. And that wouldn't be a great thing, it would exemplify Valve's utter monopoly, which is pretty darn unacceptable. :)
uhm, I don't see how that's possible. The DRM is usually applied during/after building the code at the developers' place, before uploading it to Steam. Valve has no control whatsoever here.
And I don't think Valve has some cool magic powder that let's them dissolve Denuvo & Co into thin air :p.
and then there are the legal repercussions as already pointed out in a previous post.
Posted November 26, 2016
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Bavarian: You mean including games already on the platform, or just for future releases? Because I'm pretty sure the running contracts between Valve and the publishers explicitly demand the Steamworks DRM to be involved in the process. If Valve just drops that, they'd have lawsuits up their ass. Just remember what happened to CDPR when they patched out the DRM of the TW2 retail.
I can of course not claim to have any insight into Valve's legal business, but usually when the distributor is in such an immensely powerful position, these standard contracts read like a wishlist for one side only. Right now, Steamworks DRM is a service that Valve provides to their business clients, among many others that may or may not be expanded or abandoned in the future. Maybe it's like you say and Valve can not get rid of DRM without their clients lawyering up, but I think it's also well possible they get a notice one month in advance and they can opt-out selling their games via Steam altogether if they don't like the new policy. As if they would.

Man, that would shake up the gaming landscape a bit. I guess we can both be certain that it won't happen though. :p
Posted November 26, 2016
I fail to realize how GOG alone is at fault here. To me it would be the game devs and their communication with GOG. The game Devs are the only ones who can send patches to GOG for their games. GOG cannot patch any modern game that they are selling. Also how is GOG at fault if they communicate a problem for a game from dev and the dev fails to reply back. To me in this situation it takes 2 to tango here which means it takes both sides to make this work.
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