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timppu: For instance, Breach & Clear: DEADline recently got a massive update to the GOG version (the Rebirth update), at the same time as the Steam version. Before that the GOG version seemed to be abandoned for almost a year, no updates whatsoever (IIRC).

Same with Hands of Fate earlier, it also eventually got the updates and missing DLC that were long overdue.

How do you know these were not achieved by GOG demanding the developers to support their GOG versions, after GOG found out there were missing updates/DLCs?
There's also the fact that developers can do the patching directly into Steam, while patching in GOG in harder and more cumbersome. So many a time, they wait for a stable final version of the game to update it in GOG. That at least is what I read on many kickstarters, and also why some kickstarter release their drm-free versions later that Steam ones. So it's not always clear whether there's no support or they're just waiting for a stable and final version.

That's just the nature of patching in GOG and resource management from developers.

In fact, I remember reading -although maybe I'm wrong- that they wanted to address that with Galaxy and allow developers easier patching through it.
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Vanzerfull: For this reason, I stopped buying games here :(
Nuclear Throne - never forget!
Sorry. Rami Ismail is too busy pushing his SJW agenda to keep games updated on GoG.

At least Tim Schafer keeps most of his games updated on GoG so I do respect him in that regard. Rami Ismail is just a jackass all around. Will never buy any game even remotely related to that slacker ever again.
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rgnrk: There's also the fact that developers can do the patching directly into Steam, while patching in GOG in harder and more cumbersome.
the Terraria devs would disagree I think :p.
They have been pushing out patches on a daily basis lately, here on GOG.
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RomanRichter: Hi, I can't understand that, why gog support bad behavior from devs?

When dev drop support of gog release, GOG just don't care!
uhh, what are you talking about, dude? :D
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RomanRichter: When dev drop support of gog release, GOG just don't care!
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timppu: I haven't seen any proof that GOG wouldn't care. In fact I am quite certain that GOG does care, as it can affect their business. How, in your eyes, should GOG show that they care?

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How do you know these were not achieved by GOG demanding the developers to support their GOG versions, after GOG found out there were missing updates/DLCs?

I think the main issue for GOG is to even notice the GOG version is missing some update, this is where the GOG community seems to help them. I am pretty sure GOG doesn't have some person daily checking out games on other competing stores when they get updates and whether they should come to GOG too. I guess GOG expects the developers to send the updates also for GOG, but if they find out some are missing (e.g. due to the active GOG community), then they get in contact with said developers.

Also, lately GOG seems to have started officially announcing of bigger updates for certain games, to me that is also a sign that they do care.
Gog does have community members who go out of their way to show the games GOG sells that have problems, and very rarely does it change.

Fixes get released and GOG never gets them: https://www.gog.com/mix/games_that_treat_gog_customers_as_second_class_citizens

And GOG will bend over backwards to keep devs happy it seems, : https://www.gog.com/game/armello Remember this fiasco? Also a lot of games comes with only windows (and or Mac OS) builds here, while everywhere else there are builds for all three major OS'es IE Deep Silver will bring their games here and then only Windows and then forget about them
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RomanRichter: Gog select games to sell, Gog sells games, I buy them, devs drop support for them, and only option is just accept that and shut up?

P.s. In case that absolutly any game here can be dropped, is easier to just buy them on steam...
What can GOG do? What do you think they can do?

I think you should whine at the developers, not at GOG. It isn't helpful to whine at GOG about something they cannot change. I'm sure they're doing what they can, but ultimately it's the developer who holds the keys to their code and binaries. It is not fair to complain at GOG.
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te_lanus: And GOG will bend over backwards to keep devs happy it seems, : https://www.gog.com/game/armello Remember this fiasco?
Sure.

First GOG forced the devs to make their indefensible abandonment plans clear in a press update,
then they allowed refunds for the basically complete, one year old game.

Reeeeallly bending over backwards. Sucking their own dicks.
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RomanRichter: Gog select games to sell, Gog sells games, I buy them, devs drop support for them, and only option is just accept that and shut up?

P.s. In case that absolutly any game here can be dropped, is easier to just buy them on steam...
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clarry: What can GOG do? What do you think they can do?

I think you should whine at the developers, not at GOG. It isn't helpful to whine at GOG about something they cannot change. I'm sure they're doing what they can, but ultimately it's the developer who holds the keys to their code and binaries. It is not fair to complain at GOG.
So its whine or complain? Developers don't give a heck about GOG customers if you close at this. So maybe maybe GOG need to force devs to update their games properly?
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te_lanus: And GOG will bend over backwards to keep devs happy it seems, : https://www.gog.com/game/armello Remember this fiasco?
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Vainamoinen: Sure.

First GOG forced the devs to make their indefensible abandonment plans clear in a press update,
then they allowed refunds for the basically complete, one year old game.

Reeeeallly bending over backwards. Sucking their own dicks.
Blind defence. First of all, you clearly missed this part "Fixes get released and GOG never gets them: https://www.gog.com/mix/games_that_treat_gog_customers_as_second_class_citizens".

Secondly, it's one of examples, devs publicaly announced that they stop supporting gog version, and offered refund, other ones? Just dropped and flew away.
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RomanRichter: When dev drop support of gog release, GOG just don't care!
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timppu: I haven't seen any proof that GOG wouldn't care. In fact I am quite certain that GOG does care, as it can affect their business. How, in your eyes, should GOG show that they care?

For instance, Breach & Clear: DEADline recently got a massive update to the GOG version (the Rebirth update), at the same time as the Steam version. Before that the GOG version seemed to be abandoned for almost a year, no updates whatsoever (IIRC).

Same with Hands of Fate earlier, it also eventually got the updates and missing DLC that were long overdue.

How do you know these were not achieved by GOG demanding the developers to support their GOG versions, after GOG found out there were missing updates/DLCs?

I think the main issue for GOG is to even notice the GOG version is missing some update, this is where the GOG community seems to help them. I am pretty sure GOG doesn't have some person daily checking out games on other competing stores when they get updates and whether they should come to GOG too. I guess GOG expects the developers to send the updates also for GOG, but if they find out some are missing (e.g. due to the active GOG community), then they get in contact with said developers.

Also, lately GOG seems to have started officially announcing of bigger updates for certain games, to me that is also a sign that they do care.
Those 2 examples are interesting exeptions, they recieved but was abandoned for long period of time, so answer is just wait and praise god or devs for future (possible) updates?
Post edited November 25, 2016 by RomanRichter
Is there a list of Devs that have abandoned games on GOG so that we know to boycott them in the future?
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dtgreene: Real men don't use the phrase "real men".

(Sorry, but I had to say that.)
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Breja: How would you know? :D
Here is how.

1. The phrase "real men" is meaningless.
2. Therefore, my statement that uses the phrase "real men" is meaningless.
3. Since my statement is meaningless, it is not falsifiable, and is therefore necessarily true.
Q. E. D.
I would think GOG tries very hard to convince developers of the wisdom of continuing to support the GOG versions of games, but in the end, I don't think GOG can make them do it, unfortunately.
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Vainamoinen: You also maintain far greater consumer rights on Steam.
Typo?

For many years they had a NO REFUND policy. Even its current form it refund policy is designed to reduce administration, not ensure consumer rights. You have a game that breaks 2+h hours in, or is broken post patch you'll have a much better chance resolving the issue with GoG than Steam.

They still exclude the simultaneous use of multiple licenses

The rights granted via the publisher are over ruled by VALVe's ever changing SSA.

VALVe don't even adhere to their own SSA.

VALVe's flat management structure ensures you can not escalate consumer issues.


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Breja: How would you know? :D
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dtgreene: Here is how.

1. The phrase "real men" is meaningless.
2. Therefore, my statement that uses the phrase "real men" is meaningless.
3. Since my statement is meaningless, it is not falsifiable, and is therefore necessarily true.
Q. E. D.
They do, but only when accompanied by small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri
Post edited November 25, 2016 by mechmouse
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Vainamoinen: It's always "easier" and far, faaaar more convenient to buy on Steam.

You also maintain far greater consumer rights on Steam.

Their sales are far more expansive than GOG's.

Their client works infinitely better as well...

It's the perks of the massive monopoly.




Real men don't buy on Steam. :)
lol then I'd rather be kids then real men ~_~
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Vainamoinen: You also maintain far greater consumer rights on Steam.
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mechmouse: Typo?
Not at all, not at all. Only this year, Valve has introduced a return policy that was condemned pretty universally by publishers and developers on the platform, one that favors customers disproportionally. But Valve could do it, because of their monopoly position. Would GOG attempt the same thing, the platform would become even more unattractive to business clients.

You're of course right to say that Valve has introduced several limitations on consumer rights as well – some of which are now sadly considered industry standard because of Valve. You're also very correct to assume that most of Valve's shenannigans are meant to reduce the workforce even further from its present, immeasurably pitiful state. But whenever Valve decides between consumer rights and business client rights, they decide for the consumers to the detriment of their business clients.

On GOG, you have less rights, and the developers have greater say. Which can most certainly go wrong as well.

Recently the "The Witness" developer said he wouldn't publish on GOG because they wouldn't make individual contracts with developers. Which exemplifies the hugely differing power structures quite nicely: GOG is expected to individually maintain client relations and alter contracts to the developer's desire. You can be damn sure nothing like that happens at Valve Corp and no developer with a living brain cell even tries to (AAA+ devs excluded, though we have already seen how they're biting on granite).

...I'm glad they somehow found a way around that eventually and The Witness made it here. :)

I've said a few times and I'll gladly repeat that Valve could, as of tomorrow, decide to offer DRM free installers of all the games distributed on the platform, and developers could do jack shit against that. And that wouldn't be a great thing, it would exemplify Valve's utter monopoly, which is pretty darn unacceptable. :)
Post edited November 25, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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RomanRichter: Those 2 examples are interesting exeptions
What "exceptions"? Are you claiming that most GOG games don't get updates? That is not true at all, I see GOG versions getting updates all the time. Sometimes I almost wish e.g. Terraria would get updates less often, last week there were several daily updates.

It is the abandoned versions which are the exceptions. True, there should be no abandoned games at all (e.g. Slender Arrival etc.), but that is a far cry from implying that GOG doesn't care and that GOG games don't get updates.
Post edited November 25, 2016 by timppu