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BanditKeith2: Because while one can ignore such things.. the fact remains something is canon to the older works of something thus it informs what comes next and cause division/divide in the fans .. among other things granted I may be abit biased here given I am a comic book reader(more so a Marvel guy ) but I have seen the same troubles the comic communities have in these ''confirmed canon to other media installment'' things
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maxleod: Marvel just solved that problem with their "Multiverse" where everything coexists. So everything is "cannon".
Wrong buddy Marvel has a literal''main timeline/universe '' for the comics that being ''Universe 616'' Everything not of that timeline is a different canon unto itself .. While the main timeline/universe has been twisted and messed with in varies ways over the years so no everything is not part of the multiverse timeline canon when things get changed when its stated as ''Earth/universe/timeline 616 canon'' when things are changed/twisted
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BanditKeith2: Because while one can ignore such things.. the fact remains something is canon to the older works of something thus it informs what comes next
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Breja: Only if whoever works on the next entry choses to acknowledge it. Colonial Marines was supposedly canon to the movies, but I'll be damned surprised if that's ever recognised in any future instalments of Aliens. That's the problem with these franchises that go on forever, across multiple media, with dozens of people making decisions and IP's getting bought and sold... canon becomes an impossibly fleeting thing. I used to scoff at the idea of "head canon" and people picking and choosing, but that that was years ago, before almost every franchise out there got so many sequels, prequels and spin-off comics and video games, that pretending there's some one "canon" became a fool's errand, regardless of who made what "official" at any given point.

Hell, even the aforementioned Highlander series got itself into a mess like that ahead of most franchises. Pretty much every entry in that series, movie or tv show, exists in it's own separate universe, in which different things are and aren't canon.

That's not to say I think canon should not matter at all. When it is preserved and respected it help with fantastic storytelling. Rather I'm saying is that so many writers write like it doesn't matter, the only way to preserve any kind of coherence in a franchise is to do it yourself. I wish that were not the case, that more franchises were like Babylon 5 where one guy held the reins and kept things (mostly) in line, but unfortunately the only way for that to be the case is for a franchise to become totally obscure.
Head canon is a giant problem in media and fan communties so its still right to ignore and scoff at it as a whole for there is tons of people who take the headcanon and''fanon'' by the way for those not in the know fanon is a fan concept so wide spread often in fanfiction the fansd see it as canon'' Granted sure some fanon and head canon made sense to fix plotholes and BS but most of the time is more so'' These two are together and the company aswell as anyone else who says otherwise is wrong'' same with sexuality and race when one or the other is not made clear till later and chunks of the communtie go insane over their head canons and fanon being properly challenged/debunked

while picking and choosing is fine overall I will say so long as the picking and choosing isn't used to justify some writer own headcanon or fanon so as to retcon characters that invalidate alot of prior canon because of very small obscure things
Post edited October 21, 2024 by BanditKeith2
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Breja: I'm not really sure why though. I mean, the Angelina Jolie movies were already absolutely gow-awful, why would some tv show you can just not watch now ruin the game for you?
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idbeholdME: They absolutely nailed one thing though - the casting. Angelina Jolie in the Tomb Raider outfit was enough to make the movies budgetary successes.
Stole my words. Admittedly, I wouldn't be able to be so eloquent though.
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BanditKeith2: Because while one can ignore such things.. the fact remains something is canon to the older works of something thus it informs what comes next and cause division/divide in the fans ..
It undoubtedly will, yes. Which is why I usually make hard cutoff points. The moment something moves too far from what I am after/enjoy, I just drop it. If somebody is intent on ruining something for any of the manifold potential reasons, they are welcome to do so. Just don't expect my patronage from that moment on. I will still continue to enjoy the things I liked up until that point, but won't give a speck of support to something I ultimately dislike. And I put extra emphasis on upholding this stance.

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BanditKeith2: among other things granted I may be abit biased here given I am a comic book reader(more so a Marvel guy ) but I have seen the same troubles the comic communities have in these ''confirmed canon to other media installment'' things
It's up to each person really. The truth of the matter is, that the owner/rights holder can take a thing in whatever direction they desire and decide what can be done to an IP/franchise. But it is not the duty of all fans to blindly follow them in that direction. Concerns and criticism may be raised, and how it is received/handled can be another factor in deciding whether something is worthy of your support. If something seems beyond salvageable, jumping ship is often the healthiest option.

This is all subjective of course. Everybody's "cutoff point" is going to be somewhere else (if it even exists).
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Breja: Depends which one :D But the latest one, with Henry Cavill is, I think, still on. The last I heard they're supposed to start shooting it in January. I doubt it will live up to the original, it's such a unique and very 80s thing, but I really I just hope that whatever it ends up being it won't be boring. The Highlander franchise is such a glorious mess of bizarre, completely incompatible entries I can pretty much forgive the new movie everything except for ending up a bland Marvel wannabe, like that Tom Cruise The Mummy a few years back.
You mean they are making a new Highlander movie?
Loved the original with Christopher Lambert and the TV series back in the day.
Maybe a good idea rewatch it, after so many years.
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BanditKeith2: Because while one can ignore such things.. the fact remains something is canon to the older works of something thus it informs what comes next and cause division/divide in the fans ..
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idbeholdME: It undoubtedly will, yes. Which is why I usually make hard cutoff points. The moment something moves too far from what I am after/enjoy, I just drop it. If somebody is intent on ruining something for any of the manifold potential reasons, they are welcome to do so. Just don't expect my patronage from that moment on. I will still continue to enjoy the things I liked up until that point, but won't give a speck of support to something I ultimately dislike. And I put extra emphasis on upholding this stance.

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BanditKeith2: among other things granted I may be abit biased here given I am a comic book reader(more so a Marvel guy ) but I have seen the same troubles the comic communities have in these ''confirmed canon to other media installment'' things
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idbeholdME: It's up to each person really. The truth of the matter is, that the owner/rights holder can take a thing in whatever direction they desire and decide what can be done to an IP/franchise. But it is not the duty of all fans to blindly follow them in that direction. Concerns and criticism may be raised, and how it is received/handled can be another factor in deciding whether something is worthy of your support. If something seems beyond salvageable, jumping ship is often the healthiest option.

This is all subjective of course. Everybody's "cutoff point" is going to be somewhere else (if it even exists).
Agreed its why for example I for the most part dropped out of X-men(comic wise) while still checking on how its going at times but dropped it otherwise and it helped in terms of manga and anime a similar ip in terms of concept popped of''My hero academia'' making it way easier as a result
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BanditKeith2: Because while one can ignore such things.. the fact remains something is canon to the older works of something thus it informs what comes next and cause division/divide in the fans ..
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idbeholdME: It undoubtedly will, yes. Which is why I usually make hard cutoff points.
To each their own I guess. I usually don't do "hard cutoff" because I mostly find it easy to compartmentalise these things, and I don't see the need to miss out on something good just because it may be sorrounded by a lot of crap. Like no matter how bad the Star Wars prequel trilogy was, the Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon was awesome and it would be a shame to miss out on it. Even the Disney era of SW had genuinely good stuff. I just approach it as "the Original Trilogy is canon to everything, but nothing else is canon to the Original Trilogy", and that works fine for me.
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Breja: To each their own I guess. I usually don't do "hard cutoff" because I mostly find it easy to compartmentalise these things, and I don't see the need to miss out on something good just because it may be sorrounded by a lot of crap. Like no matter how bad the Star Wars prequel trilogy was, the Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon was awesome and it would be a shame to miss out on it. Even the Disney era of SW had genuinely good stuff. I just approach it as "the Original Trilogy is canon to everything, but nothing else is canon to the Original Trilogy", and that works fine for me.
Yeah, it depends. I can do that up to a point but my tolerance has gone down quite a bit over the past years. A lot of stuff has gone into that "beyond salvageable" territory for me. When something utterly nonsensical, world/lore/character breaking or just outright dumb is declared canon and you know everything in the future is going to be based on that or take that into account is where I usually throw in the towel.

One big example for me would be the Primaris Marines in 40K. I pretty much stopped following the recent developments in the universe and am just consuming the older lore that happened until that point.

To link it to the OP of this thread (Tomb Raider), established character deconstruction is one of the things I'm most allergic to. Which modern entertainment seems to be intent on doing with pretty much whatever it touches. But luckily, with things that have been going for a while, there is usually plenty of stuff in the past to enjoy. Just recently, I've started watching Batman: The Animated Series for the first time and am having a blast.

I am fine with just drawing a line and looking for new things to enjoy (and laugh at whatever is happening to the thing I used to like). Hoping for that one diamond in the rough to appear in the sea of sewage can be time consuming and ultimately, disappointing.
Post edited October 21, 2024 by idbeholdME
Many things in the past 10 years have been destroyed. While I never much cared for Tomb Raider, it makes me sad seeing it get turned into a dumpster fire. Affected by bad judgement and direction to political agendas. Modern media is dwindling to nothing.

Star Wars. Everything Tolkien made. Marvel. They even messed up stuff that was laid out pretty solid, like Cowboy Bebop.
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botan9386: Why do they do this?

I'm kind of annoyed right now.

I check out YouTube to see some more content about it and it turns out they have a Netflix show.
[...] the few clips I checked out were garbage and all reviews seem to share the same view,...

Now I'll spend the rest of my playthrough with the knowledge it's downhill from here.
Why?
I mean - why do you let yourself be influenced by something, which you can simply ignore in its entirety, if you choose so?

You know "Star Wars", right?

What if I tell you, that all I ever watched from that franchise, were the first three films (what's called "the original trilogy" or "episodes IV, V and VI", nowadays)?

I don't remember any "episodes" mentioned on any of the original movies' posters. Do you?

When I heard, that they would bring "a new trilogy", set BEFORE the original, into the cinemas (a whopping 22 years after the first original movie), I asked: "Why? Nobody gives a shit, what happened BEFORE. If you want to make a (or three or more) sequel(s) to milk the franchise, then go ahead! But a trilogy of prequels? 16 to 22 AFTER the originals? - No thanks."

Well, I guess, we can say, I was an outlier in that regard - but my point is: I didn't let these new movies "ruin" the positive memories, I have about the "original trilogy".
Not, that they could've ruined my memories.

By now, all the new movies have run in German free-TV, so I could have easily watched them all, without even spending money on them...but I didn't. Because I'm not interested in them.
End of story.

I will also never understand people who say: "oh no - they made a remake of my beloved "X" or "Y". Woe is me! Now my childhood is ruined!"

Dudes: your childhood is a thing of the past, and nothing new can retroactively ruin it.
Simply ignore the new iteration completely (or - if you watched it already - forget, it exists).
Post edited October 21, 2024 by BreOl72
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BreOl72: Why?
I mean - why do you let yourself be influenced by something, which you can simply ignore in its entirety, if you choose so?

You know "Star Wars", right?

What if I tell you, that all I ever watched from that franchise, were the first three films (what's called "the original trilogy" or "episodes IV, V and VI", nowadays)?

I don't remember any "episodes" mentioned on any of the original movies' posters. Do you?

When I heard, that they would bring "a new trilogy", set BEFORE the original, into the cinemas (a whopping 22 years after the first original movie), I asked: "Why? Nobody gives a shit, what happened BEFORE. If you want to make a (or three or more) sequel(s) to milk the franchise, then go ahead! But a trilogy of prequels? 16 to 22 AFTER the originals? - No thanks."

Well, I guess, we can say, I was an outlier in that regard - but my point is: I didn't let these new movies "ruin" the positive memories, I have about the "original trilogy".
Not, that they could've ruined my memories.

By now, all the new movies have run in German free-TV, so I could have easily watched them all, without even spending money on them...but I didn't. Because I'm not interested in them.
End of story.

I will also never understand people who say: "oh no - they made a remake of my beloved "X" or "Y". Woe is me! Now my childhood is ruined!"

Dudes: your childhood is a thing of the past, and nothing new can retroactively ruin it.
Simply ignore the new iteration completely (or - if you watched it already - forget, it exists).
None of what you said here is neccessarily wrong, but it doesn't take away my initial annoyance with seeing a series I was just getting into become whatever abomination it turned into.

You could say it comes down to investment, after I finish the game I could just then forget about it and move on to something else but usually when people like something they want to see it continue in a positive direction. Especially if it's supposed to be canon yet destroys the integrity of the characters and story (like the show did).
Post edited October 22, 2024 by botan9386