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toupz111: I find most youtubers to be retarded and with toxic fanboy base, the whole give streamers games before every1 else thing should lead to execution. They even suck at gaming, nothing more frustrating than watch someone play like a tard
Don't watch them then.

It's not hard to curate your Youtube watch habits lol
Post edited August 09, 2021 by Linko64
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MeowCanuck: You can find similar stats on your own country's statistics department website or Google's World Bank link. Overall, life has gotten better.
None of which actually proves life has gotten better. You're taking a random statistic, claiming it increased and concluding therefore life is better. More interesting is how you chose an exact date for your claims, similar to how Tony Heller uses statistics to make it appear the earth is cooling and that climate change is a myth. I could claim life is better now because there are more people now which reveals your appeal to self evident truth, you're claiming that your statistics are evidence of a better time because it is self evident they've made times better.

As I said before, all we have here is a person who cannot make a logical argument for the life of him, insisting that because he feels some way that everyone else must agree with him.
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caaliyah.jannessa: None of which actually proves life has gotten better. You're taking a random statistic, claiming it increased and concluding therefore life is better. More interesting is how you chose an exact date for your claims, similar to how Tony Heller uses statistics to make it appear the earth is cooling and that climate change is a myth. I could claim life is better now because there are more people now which reveals your appeal to self evident truth, you're claiming that your statistics are evidence of a better time because it is self evident they've made times better.

As I said before, all we have here is a person who cannot make a logical argument for the life of him, insisting that because he feels some way that everyone else must agree with him.
These aren't random statistics, they're several key indicators in determining a country's overall happiness with [GDP per capita],
[Life Expectancy], and other health statistics to determine the overall health of its people. Other factors like [Generosity], [Freedom of Choice], [Social Support], and [Perceived Corruption] are harder to capture because I'm not familiar on the specific KPI and I'd also need data going back to the 1980s to make a comprehensive comparison.

(I also have to mention higher rates of divorce stats are an excellent measure because it means more people are given more freedoms leaving unhappy marriages than they are staying in an unhappy and often unstable relationship that negatively affects the entire family.)

And the reason why I used the 1980s was because my post was specifically referring to the people who vented to me about how much better the 1960-1980s were. And like I do with most calculations, I always calculate conservatively in my opposition's favour. If I compared it to the 1960s, then nearly everything looks better except for fertility rate, which is normal for all developed countries with more educated people, better family planning campaigns, and higher costs of living.

Now my question to you is what is your stance and where is your evidence? Do you have a better way of calculating happiness? You keep refuting my claims and sourced data while providing none of your own supporting your claim that people are more miserable than ever before, pandemic notwithstanding since we're comparing generational differences. What I'm seeing from you is:

1. Where is your objective means of measuring how life has improved? (Addressed.)
2. You like certain things and project what you like onto everyone else with appeal to majority. (Inherently addressed through stats.)
3. None of that proves life has gotten better. (Really? Higher wealth, longer lifespans, lower smoking / drinking / crime rates doesn't show that?)
4. You're comparing it to some arbitrary time. (No, I compared it conservatively in your favour to the time period people kept telling me about.)
5. You can't make a logical argument. (Opinion with stats to back it up. Better than you with no argument or stats at all.)

EDIT: Keep in mind that all my stats are relevant to Canada. So in general, for my country, life has gotten better than what Canadian adults kept venting to me about.
Post edited August 10, 2021 by MeowCanuck
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caaliyah.jannessa: None of which actually proves life has gotten better. You're taking a random statistic, claiming it increased and concluding therefore life is better. More interesting is how you chose an exact date for your claims, similar to how Tony Heller uses statistics to make it appear the earth is cooling and that climate change is a myth. I could claim life is better now because there are more people now which reveals your appeal to self evident truth, you're claiming that your statistics are evidence of a better time because it is self evident they've made times better.

As I said before, all we have here is a person who cannot make a logical argument for the life of him, insisting that because he feels some way that everyone else must agree with him.
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MeowCanuck: These aren't random statistics, they're several key indicators in determining a country's overall happiness with [GDP per capita],
[Life Expectancy], and other health statistics to determine the overall health of its people. Other factors like [Generosity], [Freedom of Choice], [Social Support], and [Perceived Corruption] are harder to capture because I'm not familiar on the specific KPI and I'd also need data going back to the 1980s to make a comprehensive comparison.

(I also have to mention higher rates of divorce stats are an excellent measure because it means more people are given more freedoms leaving unhappy marriages than they are staying in an unhappy and often unstable relationship that negatively affects the entire family.)

And the reason why I used the 1980s was because my post was specifically referring to the people who vented to me about how much better the 1960-1980s were. And like I do with most calculations, I always calculate conservatively in my opposition's favour. If I compared it to the 1960s, then nearly everything looks better except for fertility rate, which is normal for all developed countries with more educated people, better family planning campaigns, and higher costs of living.

Now my question to you is what is your stance and where is your evidence? Do you have a better way of calculating happiness? You keep refuting my claims and sourced data while providing none of your own supporting your claim that people are more miserable than ever before, pandemic notwithstanding since we're comparing generational differences. What I'm seeing from you is:

1. Where is your objective means of measuring how life has improved? (Addressed.)
2. You like certain things and project what you like onto everyone else with appeal to majority. (Inherently addressed through stats.)
3. None of that proves life has gotten better. (Really? Higher wealth, longer lifespans, lower smoking / drinking / crime rates doesn't show that?)
4. You're comparing it to some arbitrary time. (No, I compared it conservatively in your favour to the time period people kept telling me about.)
5. You can't make a logical argument. (Opinion with stats to back it up. Better than you with no argument or stats at all.)

EDIT: Keep in mind that all my stats are relevant to Canada. So in general, for my country, life has gotten better than what Canadian adults kept venting to me about.
You still haven't actually proved anything except that you're another Tony Heller who uses statistics to deny climate change. YOU set the standards and then claimed that based on YOUR standards things are better... this is exactly how the anti-vaxxers get around screaming that vaccines are killing people,. because if your standard for acceptable deaths due to vaccine is exactly zero then anything greater than that is evidence that we should all be anti-vaxxers.

Your personal standards are not and will never be the standards the world lives by.
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caaliyah.jannessa: snip
I find it extremely hypocritical for someone to be accusing me of strawman when you used a couple strawman arguments by comparing my persuasion style to that of a prominent climate change denier and anti-vaxxers.

If I'm using bad KPIs and you know I'm using the wrong ones, it's up to you to share what KPIs we should be looking at to determine happiness or another measure of life improvement. Then I can go out, find that information, discuss, and come to a productive result. I'm a reasonable man who looks at data and analyses both in my profession and everyday life. And I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.

But if you're not going to be cooperative, I have no choice but to dismiss your claims as it's full of baseless claims and ill-arrived conclusions instead of evidence-based arguments.
Post edited August 10, 2021 by MeowCanuck
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caaliyah.jannessa: None of which actually proves life has gotten better. You're taking a random statistic, claiming it increased and concluding therefore life is better. More interesting is how you chose an exact date for your claims, similar to how Tony Heller uses statistics to make it appear the earth is cooling and that climate change is a myth. I could claim life is better now because there are more people now which reveals your appeal to self evident truth, you're claiming that your statistics are evidence of a better time because it is self evident they've made times better.

As I said before, all we have here is a person who cannot make a logical argument for the life of him, insisting that because he feels some way that everyone else must agree with him.
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MeowCanuck: These aren't random statistics, they're several key indicators in determining a country's overall happiness with [GDP per capita],
[Life Expectancy], and other health statistics to determine the overall health of its people. Other factors like [Generosity], [Freedom of Choice], [Social Support], and [Perceived Corruption] are harder to capture because I'm not familiar on the specific KPI and I'd also need data going back to the 1980s to make a comprehensive comparison.

(I also have to mention higher rates of divorce stats are an excellent measure because it means more people are given more freedoms leaving unhappy marriages than they are staying in an unhappy and often unstable relationship that negatively affects the entire family.)
And how exactly do your chosen "indicators of overall happiness" prove or disprove anything about
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MeowCanuck: how entitled, narcissistic, lazy, spoiled, and less respectful everyone is today?
Post edited August 10, 2021 by LootHunter
It doesn't because that wasn't what we were comparing. This is specifically what we were discussing:

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caaliyah.jannessa: Where is your objective means of measuring whether times have improved or not?
There are many indices here to look at under quality of life:
- Human Development Index (life expectancy, education, standard of living)
- World Happiness Report (various factors year to year, but major factors are the above I listed as per 2018 World Happiness Report)
- Where-to-be-born Index

In general, life has improved (depending on the country) over the past couple decades. Hopefully, no one else is arguing to me against that.

If we were talking about whether times were better with respect to music, shows, movies, culture, etc., a lot of that stuff is quite subjective. And a lot of that is influenced by nostalgia (rosy retrospection) / false memory bias. If you're interested in proving me wrong, would be interested in seeing academic sources out there showing to what little extent that bias affects memory recalls and I'd love to take a look at it.

If you're talking about how kids are more entitled, narcissistic, lazy, spoiled, and less respectful, I'm not going to bother unless you're really keen on understanding the details and willing to be persuaded because it's too much of a timesink on my part to put together data not in my field that you are going to dismiss anyway. I was thinking of the following values for juveniles if you wanted to get started:

- Entitled: real cost of non-essential costs
- Narcississtic: time volunteered per capita
- Lazy: average time worked or studied per week
- Spoiled: (see entitled)
- Less Respectful: annual crime rates, annual average delinquency counts per school

EDIT: fixed wording.
Post edited August 10, 2021 by MeowCanuck
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MeowCanuck: It doesn't because that wasn't what we were comparing. This is specifically what we were discussing:

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caaliyah.jannessa: Where is your objective means of measuring whether times have improved or not?
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MeowCanuck: There are many indices here to look at under quality of life:
- Human Development Index (life expectancy, education, standard of living)
- World Happiness Report (various factors year to year, but major factors are the above I listed as per 2018 World Happiness Report)
- Where-to-be-born Index

In general, life has improved (depending on the country). Hopefully, no one is arguing to me about that.

If we were talking about whether times were better with respect to music, shows, movies, culture, etc., a lot of that stuff is quite subjective. And a lot of that is influenced by nostalgia (rosy retrospection) / false memory bias. If you're interested in proving me wrong, would be interested in seeing academic sources out there showing to what extent that bias affects memory recalls and I'd love to take a look at it.

If you're talking about how kids are more entitled, narcissistic, lazy, spoiled, and less respectful, I'm not going to bother unless you're really keen on understanding the details and willing to be persuaded because it's too much of a timesink on my part to put together data not in my field that you are going to dismiss anyway. I was thinking of the following values for juveniles:

- Entitled: real cost of non-essential costs
- Narcississtic: time volunteered per capita
- Lazy: average time worked or studied
- Spoiled: (see entitled)
- Less Respectful: crime rates, delinquency counts in schools
if world happiness isnt subjective then neither music shows or movies quality

and oh boy they got worse by a lot at least the mainstream, still good ones are being made ,but what the majority consumes is bad , and i can say this as a fact not as a subjective opinion

your new generation is so cool they are removing boulders now as those hurt their feelings
Post edited August 10, 2021 by Orkhepaj