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botan9386: This is not the argument you want to make. The smart person would simply agree with this and mod in everything they want whilst modding out everything they don't want. Your opinion on the act no longer matters because it is no longer public, rather private and contained. Maybe you'd prefer that though, given you want people to go to 4chan or X instead if they don't want these mods banned.
That's not what this thread is about. It is about three mods with a political agenda based on certain world views. These mods were posted because of this political agenda. Then you just have a look at the group of people here who follow this political agenda. The most active and vocal anti-censorship people actually want to censor everything they don't like. I gave you a certain example. Remember the Gulf of Mexico? This is another instance of this.

Just look at the mod site posted above.

You can read there:

"FU**ING CHI*K BASTARDS!"

"It would be really based if someone makes a mod where Eve can get r*ped by the enemies or where they can rip her insides out"

"Who cares about n***ers"

"here's hoping that tranny suicide rate will reach 100% this year"

Or you can just download a Christchurch mod and shoot some muslims.

Of course, there is no political agenda involved. /s
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foad01: I actually haven't reported it. If the post in the release thread and the specific thread in the KCDII forum get deleted, someone else will repost it. Some people here will probably use one of their alt accounts to do so. It will probably be better to just keep the post and the thread in question instead of deleting them.
So what is the end goal here? Genuinely interested.
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idbeholdME: So what is the end goal here? Genuinely interested.
It is a mix of fascination that people "defend" these crappy mods and boredom. I am currently waiting for a download. :D
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PookaMustard: You quoted the best argument for it. Read the part you quoted again.
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botan9386: I went on to argue against that in the next two paragraph. You're making a case against people here, not mods. Your argument against people is not a justification to eliminate the mods.
The issue with this isn't individual mods on their own no matter how distasteful some of them may be. As a package group, they reflect attitudes that are associated with white supremecy and a desire to roll things back to times when certain groups of people were property by virtue of being born the wrong skin color or gender.

Posting these mods as a group serves a purpose of signalling that GOG is a place for straight white men only. If you are not a straight white man, you don't belong here.

But worry not. the male in my household is gave me his permission to post this.
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foad01: ...
All of these arguments being made to ban mods have had nothing to do with the mods themselves, they are all arguments against bad people.

I'm sorry but I'm not playing into appeal to emotion arguments that are yet to explain to me why these mods should be banned. Especially when nobody has also been capable of explaining to me why the opposite mods are non-issue as reverse applications of the same things (black Geralt, gay Panam, female Wukong). I don't think any of these mods should be censored, I'll say that for the hundredth time. Making straight characters gay, making white characters black, making black characters white, making male characters female. None of it should be censored, they're just mods, they're not an attack, they affect your playthrough of a game by 0%.
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Catventurer: The issue with this isn't individual mods on their own no matter how distasteful some of them may be. As a package group, they reflect attitudes that are associated with white supremecy and a desire to roll things back to times when certain groups of people were property by virtue of being born the wrong skin color or gender.

Posting these mods as a group serves a purpose of signalling that GOG is a place for straight white men only. If you are not a straight white man, you don't belong here.

But worry not. the male in my household is gave me his permission to post this.
And with this comment. I'm going to roll my eyes and go on another hiatus.
Post edited March 29, 2025 by botan9386
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botan9386: I'm sorry but I'm not playing into appeal to emotion arguments that are yet to explain to me why these mods should be banned. Especially when nobody has also been capable of explaining to me why the opposite mods are non-issue as reverse applications of the same things (black Geralt, straight Panam, female Wukong etc).
What is the political reason to change the skin of Geralt? What is the political reason to change the sex of Wukong?

Several people here in this thread have now pointed out the political agenda of the mods in question and the political reasons to post these mods. The user in question has a long history to post political induced messages. You are constantly ignoring this. This is not about just some mods to change things for funsies.
Post edited March 29, 2025 by foad01
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foad01: ...
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botan9386: All of these arguments being made to ban mods have had nothing to do with the mods themselves, they are all arguments against bad people.
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I could also point out that this isn’t about banning the mods themselves, it’s about whether or not they should be linked on GOG’s forums. And those are two very different issues.

To be honest, I don’t have a problem with the mods existing. There are horrible people out there who make horrible content, it’s unfortunate, but not surprising. However, GOG has a code of conduct that outlines what kind of content is appropriate for its forums.

So sure, go ahead and keep the mods - let them exist in whatever corners of the internet they thrive in. That way, at least we know where the racist, homophobic, history-revisionist losers are gathering to protect their fragile little egos. But there’s nothing that says GOG has to host links to that content, or give it a platform on their site.
Post edited March 29, 2025 by amok
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Sounds like a fun game!
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idbeholdME: So what is the end goal here? Genuinely interested.
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foad01: It is a mix of fascination that people "defend" these crappy mods and boredom. I am currently waiting for a download. :D
I really don't think it's about defending the content of the mods themselves, only being against the notion of removing them, for whatever reason. At least that's what pretty much all of the retorts in this thread seems to indicate.

Many seem to be jumping to the conclusion that not agreeing with wanting to remove/ban/delete links to these mods automatically means supporting them and everything they do/stand for.
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foad01: It is a mix of fascination that people "defend" these crappy mods and boredom. I am currently waiting for a download. :D
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idbeholdME: I really don't think it's about defending the content of the mods themselves, only being against the notion of removing them, for whatever reason. At least that's what pretty much all of the retorts in this thread seems to indicate.

Many seem to be jumping to the conclusion that not agreeing with wanting to remove/ban/delete links to these mods automatically means supporting them and everything they do/stand for.
You could also question why they would want to keep that kind of content up in the first place. GOG is, after all, a store, a business, and what happens on their forums reflects directly on their brand and image. I do think this would be a different discussion if the post was buried somewhere in a game’s subforum. But it’s not, it’s the first post in the release thread. If a potential customer visits GOG to check out the game and see what the community is saying, this might be the first thing they see. That matters.
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amok: You could also question why they would want to keep that kind of content up in the first place. GOG is, after all, a store, a business, and what happens on their forums reflects directly on their brand and image. I do think this would be a different discussion if the post was buried somewhere in a game’s subforum. But it’s not, it’s the first post in the release thread. If a potential customer visits GOG to check out the game and see what the community is saying, this might be the first thing they see. That matters.
I am pretty sure GOG monitors key threads, especially for big releases like KCD 2. I guess we will know on Monday, where they stand. I personally don't care and I'd assume most don't, but it's up to GOG to decide and nobody else.

Also, the thread actually is duplicated in the game specific forum too:
https://www.gog.com/forum/kingdom_come_deliverance_ii/mods_for_a_more_authentic_nonrevisionist_and_less_jarring_experience
Post edited March 29, 2025 by idbeholdME
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Damcly: If a Black character in a game bothers you, it's racism. If a character who sleeps with people of the same sex bothers you, it's homophobia. Therefore, using mods that remove that is equivalent to racism or homophobia.
The problem is that if someone uploads that and doesn't point out what it is (racism or something else), they'll think they can continue uploading those kinds of things that affect people in this world, and you're leaving them open to unleash their racism and homophobia.
CK3 allows you to make 90% of people homosexual. Is that heterophobia?

Most games allow mods to make characters be whatever the user wants them to be.

It is not necessarily a hate crime.

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timppu: Sounds like a fun game!
Haha it's the kind of game where you invest in the game once you make sure it is the kind of game that fits your portfolio and then you wait for the game - sorry - your investment to mature.
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botan9386: I went on to argue against that in the next two paragraph. You're making a case against people here, not mods. Your argument against people is not a justification to eliminate the mods.
The mods are made for that sort of people, by that sort of people, yes?

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botan9386: yet nobody cares to address that we can quite literally right now do everything you consider racist/sexist/homophobic to white characters, male characters, and straight characters and it has never been an issue.
Wrong.

Read this again:

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PookaMustard: My problem with the mod isn't that the mod makes a specific character white, black, or green for all I care. Or make it so you can immediately sleep with some woman of your choice and just that. My problem is that the whole package is a selection of stuff targeting all the toxic people that actively break "Don't be a dick."
As far as I know, the Geralt mod isn't "hatespeech the mod" and definitely not on its own. For all I care, if you take a black character in a game and go "this mod makes him white" I'd think this is in poor taste but not worth thinking too much about.

But there's a distinct difference between "this mod lets you turn Geralt black" and "this mod reskins 'unhistorical characters' and 'corrects' it to Kiev and oh btw we found some evidence of LE EVIL WOKE DEVELOPERS BEING HIRED". Sorry, at this point the mod is this meme. It's not really a fair comparison.

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botan9386: it's not an attack on you if somebody alters their own personal offline game. I'll rest my case.
If you show up to a news thread about a new game and immediately post "you can download this mod which conveniently removes these unhistorical character", you're just re-broadcasting what you believe in. By my books, you broke Rule 0, and according to foad01 you've also broken the GOG CoC.
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Too many people with far too much free time. Most folks couldn’t care less…..me included. It’s like watching a bunch of children throw tantrums. At the end of it all….we the observers got to eat our popcorn, laugh at the ridiculousness of it, and see folks become utterly mentally unhinged. Pretty good day by most accounts, I’d say! Hell, I enjoyed it.

This is simply a thread that cries too hard. If you don’t like a mod or game…ignore it. If you don’t want black folks, women, or gay folks in your games….mod it…or don’t play it. There is no sense in telling folks that they are evil, bad, or whatever according to your arbitrary standards. Last I checked, not liking someone or something is a personal choice and not a crime. Whole lotta Karening going on here. You can’t force others to accept things they don’t like. That’s a two-way street, folks

Anyway…..have fun with the foolishness………because we are having fun watching.
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RizzoCuoco: Too many people with far too much free time. Most folks couldn’t care less…..me included. It’s like watching a bunch of children throw tantrums. At the end of it all….we the observers got to eat our popcorn, laugh at the ridiculousness of it, and see folks become utterly mentally unhinged. Pretty good day by most accounts, I’d say! Hell, I enjoyed it.

This is simply a thread that cries too hard. If you don’t like a mod or game…ignore it. If you don’t want black folks, women, or gay folks in your games….mod it…or don’t play it. There is no sense in telling folks that they are evil, bad, or whatever according to your arbitrary standards. Last I checked, not liking someone or something is a personal choice and not a crime. Whole lotta Karening going on here. You can’t force others to accept things they don’t like. That’s a two-way street, folks

Anyway…..have fun with the foolishness………because we are having fun watching.
^ That needed to be said. First Amendment notwithstanding.

Thank you.