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Posted March 29, 2025
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Sounds distasteful, but people should be able to play the mod if they want.

It's not canon in any way, it only changes that modder's experience (i.e., it doesn't take away from yours or others), and it's just a fictional video game at the end of the day.

I get the offense, but there's nothing stopping the other side from doing the opposite. For example, replacing as many character models with POCs, filling everything with pro-Ukrainian values, etc. At the end of the day, this theoretical mod would be trivial because it also wouldn't be canon.

Also, since the subforums are entirely ran by GOG, they're on short staff, and breaking forum rules requires a support ticket, you can see why mods haven't taken any action yet.
Post edited March 29, 2025 by UnashamedWeeb
Posted March 29, 2025
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Better question is, why are you trying to censor mods and the forums? You're the one bringing your politics here.
Posted March 29, 2025
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ThatGuyWithTheThing: Now in all seriousness:

●The KCD2 mod post is the absolute first post after the News blurb, indicating the poster has been eagerly waiting to promote this agenda.

●The mod promotes racism, sexism, homophobia, and also supports Russian propaganda (Kyiv/Kiev).

●The fact that the mod "corrects" the Kyiv "spelling mistake" indicates this is a mod of Russian origin, where beating women is allowed, and where the police can enter your house in a drunken stupor during Xmas and beat you up because they felt like it. Oddly specific? Yeah, because it happened to a friend of mine while he was a student there.

●You wanna talk about options and don't care about all that? It's illegal to alter the creative work of someone else's without their permission.

This is not a "productive" mod in any way, shape or form. It's blatantly promoting an agenda (an agenda of hate), and lacks any human decency.

The fact thar you're supporting the poster of said mod is astounding, to be honest.
such a brainwash c-c-combo!
also, I envy you. believing all the lies... guess, living like that is nice.
Posted March 29, 2025
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Damcly: There is no such thing as "civilized conversation" with a racist
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CaptainGyro: I don't know if Breja is racist( I don't know him but i never got that impression from reading his posts) , but if he is a racist, I think he's being pretty civil
I was referring to the person who uploaded the mods in another thread, I don't know if this user is it or not.
Posted March 29, 2025
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(deleted this long post to facilitate the cleanup)
Post edited March 30, 2025 by Vainamoinen
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Vainamoinen: ...
Now explain why any of this justifies mod censorship?

All you've done here is give us politics and tell us it's okay when progressive do things because they're empathic and do it from a place of love. A, that's a limitless justification for anything. B, so what? I'll defend the mods that turn a character gay as much as the mods that do the opposite. Not because of politics but because mods shouldn't be subject to censorship when they don't impact anyone else at all.
Posted March 29, 2025
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Vainamoinen: This isn't on a "Han shoots first again" level. The only people interested in coloring black characters white are racist perverts, and that's just the scientific term.
Disagree with you there but you have your mind set in proselytising mode so won't argue more.

Yes the mod is bad taste all around but claiming that somebody who posts it shares the values of every aspect of the mod and attacking them is one way to make sure that no mods ever get shared ever again here.


Another issue and bigger imo is that this mod is direct linked - no website that I can see, nowhere where the mod is publicised. It's probably malware.
Posted March 29, 2025
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botan9386: ...
BTW, this is a note from the mod author linked above which turns Geralt black:

"So apparently a few people are offended by this mod. I don't particularly care about offending most of the people getting angry in the posts, but if Nexus deems this mod to be against their terms of service, they can take it down. The mod was intended as a way to help people see themselves in Geralt more easily if they were not white. Whether or not it accomplished that is probably debatable, but Geralt's race is not relevant to the story of the game in any way I'm aware of so I do not see this as lore-breaking or messing up the plot. If you don't like the mod, don't use it. If you do, enjoy!"

Granted, NexusMods has become infamous for selective censorship of mods so their standards don't mean anything but the mod author is right overall. It doesn't matter why this mod exists and what people use it for but it exists and that's okay. He didn't even have to justify it as being irrelevant to story, it's not affecting canon or anyone who doesn't install it.
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botan9386: Now explain why any of this justifies mod censorship?
Yes, absolutely, it's "mod censorship". Or, hey, how about calling it "censorship mod censorship", CMC for short? I'm sure that by deleting the propaganda drivel and permabanning the user, GOG will be able to "censor" these CMs from the internet entirely.

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botan9386: it's okay when progressive do things because they're empathic and do it from a place of love
No sentence starting with "all you've done here" or "so you're saying that" on the internet ever ends with a sensible summary of the preceding argument. Actually, I find that whole false rephrasing shtick rather dishonest. It's a rhetoric technique meant to set up strawmen, not to have an honest argument.

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lupineshadow: Yes the mod is bad taste all around but claiming that somebody who posts it shares the values of every aspect of the mod and attacking them is one way to make sure that no mods ever get shared ever again here.
Those "shared values" were posted in great detail as well, besides the mods, of course. The links to the mods were, in a sense, mere ornaments to the political propaganda.

We'd be having a rather different discussion if the user just posted three links to mod the game instead of giving us nauseating detail about what racist and misogynist changes were made to counteract what motherfucking lizardmen conspiracy or whatever.

If the links actually led to malware ... Jesus, I'd still laugh about that when I fly to Osaka in September. ;)
Post edited March 29, 2025 by Vainamoinen
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Vainamoinen: Those "shared values" were posted in great detail as well, besides the mods, of course. The links to the mods were, in a sense, mere ornaments to the political propaganda.

We'd be having a rather different discussion if the user just posted three links to mod the game instead of giving us nauseating detail about what racist and misogynist changes were made to counteract what motherfucking lizardmen conspiracy or whatever.
I mean, the post read like a changelog of a software project, because it was. It just wasn't labelled as such - or quoted to show it was verbatim text. I do think there is an element of shooting the messenger there even if the messenger seems to be on board with promoting the mod in general.

I just am curious where that mod/changelog came from as it doesn't seem to be publicly available - maybe some private forum :\

If the links actually led to malware ... Jesus, I'd still laugh about that when I fly to Osaka in September. ;)
No idea if it does, but it's unsourced/undocumented software so high risk.
Posted March 29, 2025
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Vainamoinen: No sentence starting with "all you've done here" or "so you're saying that" on the internet ever ends with a sensible summary of the preceding argument. Actually, I find that whole false rephrasing shtick rather dishonest. It's a rhetoric technique meant to set up strawmen, not to have an honest argument.
Lol, you can not seriously say this as you call people racists, homophobes and sexists for videogame modding. Honest argument my ass.

I summarised the content I read and that's what I got:

"Yes of course there's something "stopping the other side from doing the opposite": moral concerns and respecting artistic integrity."

"Progressive views do pervade narrative entertainment, that much is true. That's because empathy is the major impetus to even tell stories."

"They're afraid to add what makes a story great because they're politically opposed to the key ingredient."

"They feel forced to walk a mile in the shoes of a person that they have little in common with, can't relate to, because they lack the necessary empathy."

So excuse me if I read this and summarise:
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botan9386: All you've done here is give us politics and tell us it's okay when progressive do things because they're empathic and do it from a place of love.
Not to mention a bold faced lie like:
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Vainamoinen: ...These mods are apparently no use to progressive folks...
I can download race-swap mods right now and turn white characters black. I can download gender-swap mods right now and replace male characters. I can download sexuality mods right now and replace straight characters. What is this holier-than-though hill that you think progressive folks live on...Both groups of people make all types of mods and both should be allowed to exist.

Edit: As for mods that walk the thin line of legality, that is for the law to address.
Post edited March 29, 2025 by botan9386
Posted March 29, 2025
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Honestly? I agree, the post to the mod must be removed.

If any useful idiot who subscribes to the thoughts expressed by the mod wants it, Google will be their friend. The mod and the post itself breaks Rule 0 of the Internet, "Don't be a dick," which is... call me an old timer, but people used to get warned and banned for breaking that rule- some of them sucked it up and realized it was their fault all along, some of them insisted it was the place's fault and sadly the latter group has been growing and managed to politicize the topic in the process, even calling it """censorship""" BWAHAHAHAHA cry me a river
Post edited March 29, 2025 by PookaMustard
Posted March 29, 2025
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Like the mod is clearly peddling at least a few political agendas that just so happen to be violations of "Don't be a dick", starting with:

No unhistorical characters (reskinned, renamed, recodexed, redialoged)
Which is quite the way to say you modded out black people. Like they're not even being honest about how these characters were "unhistorical" and or list a few examples to the changes, but the mention of "reskinned" gives away the true intention. So, black people are "unhistorical characters" and they were reskinned among other things. No other explanation given, no more additional context, just "they are unhistorical characters because I said so."

Kiev spelt correctly
This one bugs me even more. It's literally kissing Russia's ass, which is actively committing genocide in Ukraine and have committed various atrocities in other countries like Georgia or Syria.

Found out developers tried to obscure the fact that you would sleep with Bartosh, may be evidence to prove infiltration of Warhorse or Embracer sneaking in woke developers into WH
"Evidence" to "prove infiltration" of "sneaking in"
Can you be even more entitled to who works in the bakery THAT YOU DON'T OWN OR RUN?

And of course there's the two changes where two women are made easier to romance because, I dunno. Women are not supposed to be full-fledged characters who have their preferences in life, I guess?

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My problem with the mod isn't that the mod makes a specific character white, black, or green for all I care. Or make it so you can immediately sleep with some woman of your choice and just that. My problem is that the whole package is a selection of stuff targeting all the toxic people that actively break "Don't be a dick." And in this case I'm not talking about someone annoying, but people promoting racism, homophobia, and authoritarianism. Or dare I say, white cis male supremacy (since you know, black people are "unhistorical" and so were reskinned, gay romance options removed, women are supposed to romance you since you're a """Chad""")...
Post edited March 29, 2025 by PookaMustard
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botan9386: But you didn't have to write so much.
I removed a number of paragraphs to make it easier to read.
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PookaMustard: My problem with the mod isn't that the mod makes a specific character white, black, or green for all I care. Or make it so you can immediately sleep with some woman of your choice and just that. My problem is that the whole package is a selection of stuff targeting all the toxic people that actively break "Don't be a dick." And in this case I'm not talking about someone annoying, but people promoting racism, homophobia, and authoritarianism. Or dare I say, white male supremacy.
I've conceded about three times now that the comment made by that user was in bad taste but ignore him. I am yet to hear a good argument as to why these mods themselves are bad, why using them is equitable to racism, sexism, homophobia, and everything in-between, and why they should be removed from accessibility.

It truly doesn't even matter what a mod intention is because users don't have to adhere to it. Just like the "make Geralt black" mod above, somebody will use that mod to relate better to the character, someone else will use it because white skin disgusts them. So what? The mod is still fine.

Somebody will use the Hans/Henry romance mod because they hate gay men, somebody else will use it because they don't like the change in their characters from the first game. Again, so what? This reaction that now these mods are Nazi-enthusiast materials is reminding me why I've been spending less and less time around these forums lately.
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