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Pheace: Wait, how is that a bad thing? That sounds like a positive to me.
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PixelBoy: You need to remember that you can get a refund on Steam if you play less than two hours. It can therefore be assumed that those who absolutely hate the game will choose to get a refund, don't have it in their collection, and don't end up writing reviews about it. But those who like the game and have it in their collection, can review and rate it, so the whole system automatically favours positive views.
This sounds doubtful to me. There are usually scores of negative reviews by the people who end up refunding their games within the 2 hour limit. Particularly given they likely had a negative experience to be refunding they tend to be more likely to bother to write a negative review.

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Pheace: Wait, how is that a bad thing? That sounds like a positive to me.
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Olauron: When a game is bought only by the small target audience (by fans of this or that developer, this or that gameplay feature, etc.), reviews by owners are higher than for a game that is more known and is bought by a wider audience with different expectations. It doesn't mean that the quality of this game is better. It means that this game is unknown and is bought only by core supporters. Or even that the lack of quality of this game is so apparent that most gamers who happen to see game page do not bother to buy it to write negative review.
So, for the extreme number of small games on Steam even with the positive reviews the scenario for the average gamer (like myself) is
1) I had no idea that this game even exist;
2) now that I know about it I would call it trash but I can't because of Steam review system.

Edit: typos.
This is an argument for why low number of reviews make reviews less reliable than higher numbers? (which I don't disagree with) Yet your point seemed to be that it was bad that only owners could review. I don't see the connection.
Post edited August 28, 2018 by Pheace
Just buy this

https://www.gog.com/game/asura

or this

https://www.gog.com/game/immortal_redneck

or this

https://www.gog.com/game/tower_of_guns
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Pheace: This is an argument for why low number of reviews make reviews less reliable than higher numbers? (which I don't disagree with) Yet your point seemed to be that it was bad that only owners could review. I don't see the connection.
The rule that only owners can review a game is one of the reasons of low number of reviews. Why would I buy a game if I have negative opinion about it?
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Olauron: The rule that only owners can review a game is one of the reasons of low number of reviews. Why would I buy a game if I have negative opinion about it?
Why would I value your negative opinion if you never even tried the game?
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Pheace: Why would I value your negative opinion if you never even tried the game?
Should I try everything to have an opinion? As a gamer I don't need to run a game to know whether its graphics is good (screenshots, trailers), whether its sound is good (trailers), whether its gameplay features are good (game page, game site, screenshots, trailers).
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Pheace: Why would I value your negative opinion if you never even tried the game?
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Olauron: Should I try everything to have an opinion? As a gamer I don't need to run a game to know whether its graphics is good (screenshots, trailers), whether its sound is good (trailers), whether its gameplay features are good (game page, game site, screenshots, trailers).
Yeah, and I don't need to be flooded with pointless reviews like "Weeaboo crap" or "Denuvo sucks" "Graphics suck (highly subjective)" "Third Person view > First Person view" "Filled with SJW nonsense" etc etc. I'm far more interested in opinions of people who were still interested in the game based on what they're seeing and were disappointed after testing it than I am of people who weren't or aren't interested anymore to begin with before ever even playing it.
Post edited August 28, 2018 by Pheace
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Pheace: Why would I value your negative opinion if you never even tried the game?
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Olauron: Should I try everything to have an opinion? As a gamer I don't need to run a game to know whether its graphics is good (screenshots, trailers), whether its sound is good (trailers), whether its gameplay features are good (game page, game site, screenshots, trailers).
A review and opinion are two different things. Yes, reviews should only be done by people who tried the product.
To answer the question in the title: I do. The tea Uppercut Games offered me was sub-par, thus their game is refused. They need to learn to select better leaves and make a better brew, if they can do that, I may give them another chance.
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Pheace: Yeah, and I don't need to be flooded with pointless reviews like "Weeaboo crap" or "Denuvo sucks" "Graphics suck (highly subjective)" etc etc. I'm far more interested in opinions of people who were still interested in the game based on what they're seeing and were disappointed after testing it than I am of people who weren't or aren't interested anymore to begin with before ever even playing it.
If the game is as bad that it isn't worth buying it is as valuable information as that the game is bad in the second half that you can't notice beforehand. Reviews may be pointless or not regardless of whether an author played the game or not.
If some review has detailed information about features of the game that would prevent me from buying it and regretting about it then this review is valuable for me and I don't care whether its author actually played the game or just read developer (or other) forum and compiled this crucial information. Actually, I would prefer this author didn't encourage the developer with his money to continue implementing such features.
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Olauron: Should I try everything to have an opinion? As a gamer I don't need to run a game to know whether its graphics is good (screenshots, trailers), whether its sound is good (trailers), whether its gameplay features are good (game page, game site, screenshots, trailers).
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ZFR: A review and opinion are two different things. Yes, reviews should only be done by people who tried the product.
A review is an opinion with arguments.
Post edited August 28, 2018 by Olauron
Huh? That's like saying "oh, you want Skyrim? buy The Witcher 3"... that doesn't discredit either of them, but while in the same genre, those two games are entirely different experiences
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ZFR: A review and opinion are two different things. Yes, reviews should only be done by people who tried the product.
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Olauron: A review is an opinion with arguments.
But on Steam and GOG these are user reviews or customer reviews. If I come across something that is called a "user review" I expect it to be written by a person who used it.
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Maighstir: To answer the question in the title: I do. The tea Uppercut Games offered me was sub-par, thus their game is refused. They need to learn to select better leaves and make a better brew, if they can do that, I may give them another chance.
And that's a perfectly valid point... but negates the fact that not everyone feels the same way about every game
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Maighstir: To answer the question in the title: I do. The tea Uppercut Games offered me was sub-par, thus their game is refused. They need to learn to select better leaves and make a better brew, if they can do that, I may give them another chance.
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Mawthra: And that's a perfectly valid point... but negates the fact that not everyone feels the same way about every game
That... was my whole point. Not everyone feels the same way about every game: it's subjective. So no matter who does the curation, if you have curation you will eventually find a game that didn't pass the curation process while you thought it's good.
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ZFR: But on Steam and GOG these are user reviews or customer reviews. If I come across something that is called a "user review" I expect it to be written by a person who used it.
It is written by a person who used Steam or GOG, who is a customer on Steam or GOG. If I come across something that is called a "user review" I expect it to be written not by a developer of this game, not by a publisher of this game, not by a professional game reviewer.
Post edited August 29, 2018 by Olauron
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Mawthra: And that's a perfectly valid point... but negates the fact that not everyone feels the same way about every game
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ZFR: That... was my whole point. Not everyone feels the same way about every game: it's subjective. So no matter who does the curation, if you have curation you will eventually find a game that didn't pass the curation process while you thought it's good.
Fair enough... I'm open to that, but... it still blows which is really the main point of all this ;)