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This ought to be interesting...

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-says-it-will-no-longer-police-whats-on-steam-unless-its-illegal-or-trolling/

In an official blog post today, Valve's Erik Johnson clarified and expanded on the company's reasoning when it comes to what games are and aren't allowed on Steam. In short, starting soon, Valve will allow 'everything' to be published on the Steam store, so long as it isn't illegal or "straight-up trolling." Johnson doesn't explain what counts as trolling, although Valve did use the word 'troll' to describe the developer of the school shooting simulator which it recently removed from Steam.

Johnson says that Valve's decisions have nothing to do with pressure from payment processors, something which 'Cut Content Police' creator Marusame speculated was the case in a recent PC Gamer feature on the tenuous status of games with sexual content on Steam. (We asked Valve for comment before and when that feature was published, and this seems to be it.) Johnson also says that, contrary to popular belief, Valve does not automate everything, and real people do review "the contents of every controversial title" submitted through Steam Direct.

The problem, says Johnson, is that Valve will always make someone mad with its decisions—whether that's to allow or disallow a game. Furthermore, Valve itself has internal disagreements about "controversial topics," such as "politics, sexuality, racism, gender, violence, identity, and so on," and what should be on Steam.

"The online debates around these topics play out inside Valve as well," he writes. "We don't all agree on what deserves to be on the Store. So when we say there's no way to avoid making a bunch of people mad when making decisions in this space, we're including our own employees, their families and their communities in that."

The solution, according to Johnson: "Valve shouldn't be the ones deciding this."

"If you're a player, we shouldn't be choosing for you what content you can or can't buy," he writes. "If you're a developer, we shouldn't be choosing what content you're allowed to create. Those choices should be yours to make. Our role should be to provide systems and tools to support your efforts to make these choices for yourself, and to help you do it in a way that makes you feel comfortable.

"With that principle in mind, we've decided that the right approach is to allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling. Taking this approach allows us to focus less on trying to police what should be on Steam, and more on building those tools to give people control over what kinds of content they see."

That statement contradicts Steam's current Steam Direct policies, which disallow pornography and hate speech. We have contacted Valve for clarification.

To help customers filter out games they don't want to see, Valve will be adding a feature which allows users to override the recommendation algorithms and hide certain types of games (the examples used are anime games and games a parent wouldn't want their kids to see). Johnson also says that "developers who build controversial content shouldn't have to deal with harassment because their game exists, and we'll be building tools and options to support them too."

What this means, says Johnson, is that "the Steam Store is going to contain something that you hate, and don't think should exist," but conversely, "you're also going to see something on the Store that you believe should be there, and some other people will hate it and want it not to exist."

"It also means that the games we allow onto the Store will not be a reflection of Valve’s values," continues Johnson, "beyond a simple belief that you all have the right to create & consume the content you choose. The two points above apply to all of us at Valve as well. If you see something on Steam that you think should not exist, it's almost certain that someone at Valve is right there with you."

Valve will still intervene in some cases, though. It will first of all "push developers to further disclose any potentially problematic content in their games during the submission process, and cease doing business with any of them that refuse to do so honestly." Because laws vary around the world, "we will almost certainly continue to struggle with this one for a while," says Johnson.

Additionally, Johnson says that Valve will "still continue to perform technical evaluations of submissions, rejecting games that don't pass until their issues have been resolved." (I am surprised to hear that Valve was doing this already.)

We won't see "significant changes" to what's allowed on Steam until the tools described are built. "We'll be working on this for the foreseeable future, both in terms of what products we're allowing, what guidelines we communicate, and the tools we're providing to developers and players," says Johnson.

We will update this post if Valve confirms whether or not this really means it is lifting its rules disallowing pornography and hate speech.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by Bigs
Here i thought the amount of bloatware was already bad enough, last time i bought anything at all from Steam was 2 years ago or so and even then if you don't know exactly what you want it's a hell to find anything interesting.

I don't really care about "controversial" stuff enough to ban them unless they go into very despicable stuff, if the game is well made aka not bloatware, asset flips or Hello Neighbor kind of garbage then release it and let the gamers decide, curation is needed but you can atleast be a bit flexible about it to maintain a reasonable quality on the games and keep the store clean.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by ChrisGamer300
Going to see more asset flips I bet.

Steam's original post is here:

https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1666776116200553082

It's not in the comments but I wonder if they're just assuming that they can make more off of that publishing fee instead of actual sales on the shovelware titles.

edit: I wonder if they're going to return 'Active shooter' and/or the publisher.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by drmike
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I actually really liked that post.
Even made me slightly interested in their platform.
Few more like that and I could even see myself getting a game I really liked if it wasn't worse than steam drm.

There are of course issues with junk games being there only for profit and nothing else.
But it's not like anyone is forced to buy junk and a little research will tell you if it's an actual game or not.
This solves nothing about the hundreds of asset flips and shovelware flooding their store, though.
Actually I think that statement is well written and I believe the person who wrote it actually is behind that. And I would be too. It's right up my alley actually - as a German I'm pretty burned with censorship.
With that principle in mind, we've decided that the right approach is to allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling.
But the reality is, that Steam enforces - often even unnecessary - censorship on games in "preemptive obedience", esp. in Germany. "Low violence" versions of games were forced on German customers although there really was no need for it. AO titles can't be sold or are randomly threatened - that's why a handful of VNs are here now (and I hope a lot more follow).

I like the curated approach of GOG, but I would also like the "anything but outright illegal"-goes stated above too. But frankly, I don't believe them. I would believe itch.io in this regard - but not Steam.
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Good move from Valve. Although this will probably make the shovelware issue worse. They should probably make so that certain games get achievements and trading cards after certain amount of sells or the publisher becomes trusted, because that was one of the main issues with games before Steam took several of them down, people would just make garbage games to farm trading cards. From all the actions that somehow instantly gather hate against Steam and Valve, this one is actually good, and they are not afraid of apologizing and changing their mind.
It won't really get around censorship though... Valve will still be required to region-block titles according to the laws of the country of the consumer... i
While I can see the merit to a 'release everything regardless' approach I personally really dislike it.
One of the main reasons I hardly buy books any more is because publishers lowered the bar as to what was decent fiction and I've been burned with a number of new authors whose work was a load of tripe.

Steam is pretty much the same to me, there is so much rubbish put forward by anyone who thinks their idea is brilliant that wading through it to find the gems isn't worth my time. And if I have to use other sites to inform me of what games to buy then the store is not doing it's job. I'd rather buy Nintendo games or games from here and know that there is at least a good chance the game is decent if not exceptional.

But while I have a small but decent Steam library I have yet to be tempted to buy anything directly from them, not when Humble usually provides the same keys without me directly supporting a shop whose policies I dislike, so I doubt this will effect me much.
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adaliabooks: While I can see the merit to a 'release everything regardless' approach I personally really dislike it.
One of the main reasons I hardly buy books any more is because publishers lowered the bar as to what was decent fiction and I've been burned with a number of new authors whose work was a load of tripe.

Steam is pretty much the same to me, there is so much rubbish put forward by anyone who thinks their idea is brilliant that wading through it to find the gems isn't worth my time. And if I have to use other sites to inform me of what games to buy then the store is not doing it's job. I'd rather buy Nintendo games or games from here and know that there is at least a good chance the game is decent if not exceptional.

But while I have a small but decent Steam library I have yet to be tempted to buy anything directly from them, not when Humble usually provides the same keys without me directly supporting a shop whose policies I dislike, so I doubt this will effect me much.
Most everything ever produced by human hands is complete trash, but it should be up to the end users to decide what they want. A gatekeeper, no matter how benevolent and earnest, will always make mistakes. Even if that gatekeeper is me. =) I actually think that a lot of stuff that's popular and generally considered good is trash. If I was tasked with filtering content I would probably not allow a lot of such stuff (games, books, music, film, paintings, sculptures) because they don't fit my own personal criteria for what is good. However, I would be wrong. Trash has its own use and its own consumers. The world would be probably worse off if I restricted it to a certain brand of high-brow entertainment. Barbarians have the right to be barbaric and so long as they aren't hurting anyone, I say let them have their own level of content. Even if I would never want to be anywhere near it myself
They can say a lot of words, but can they put actual action behind those words?

Yes, I do realize I'm asking them to put action behind inaction.
In theory, I think this attitude is something good. When it comes down to it though, it's almost impossible for newcomers to make their potentially good product stand out from the flood of shit that is the Steam store page.

VVVVVV, Super Meat Boy, World of Goo and Braid would probably pass unnoticed if they were released on Steam today. Instead, we get instant classics like "GAY Nation: a Gay Game for Gays [GAYS ONLY]", "FEMNAZI" and Genital Jousting.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by user deleted
So is he saying Steam is going to allow AO games, or not? If so, that's great, because I'm sure GOG will follow Steam's lead if it does that.
Actually, that announcement sounds pretty cool. If there will be no restrictions for publishing games by topic or content and at the same time I will be able to hide all the crap - that would be amazing.
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kizuxtheo: They should probably make so that certain games get achievements and trading cards after certain amount of sells or the publisher becomes trusted, because that was one of the main issues with games before Steam took several of them down, people would just make garbage games to farm trading cards. From all the actions that somehow instantly gather hate against Steam and Valve, this one is actually good, and they are not afraid of apologizing and changing their mind.
For Trading Cards they made this exact change a year or so ago
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1954971077935370845
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drmike: It's not in the comments but I wonder if they're just assuming that they can make more off of that publishing fee instead of actual sales on the shovelware titles.
You're expecting a ton of games to be released that don't even make enough to get back their publishing fee (not make back, get back)? While I can maybe see that happen for a short period I'd assume these 'publishers' would eventually wise up and notice they're actually losing money xD
Post edited June 07, 2018 by Pheace