Posted January 23, 2021
8k will probably become commonplace sometime around advanced 2-3nm++ (2030).
DesmondOC
Registered: Jul 2019
From Hong Kong
Judicat0r
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Registered: Dec 2009
From Italy
Posted January 23, 2021
All things being equal, your eyes are not going to be able to discern much, That is for someone with 20/20 vision.
In that video he talks about the contents in 8K and admits that if you sit close to the display, like gamers and their monitors I add, you can tell the difference.
The human eye can resolve details much, much thin especially when they emit light or are lit.
You wouldn't believe what the a normal human eye is capable of.
All things being equal, your eyes are not going to be able to discern much, That is for someone with 20/20 vision.
all is this is throw out money for literally nothing in return
Edit:
To elaborate further it's clear that beyond a certain point we aren't able to tell the difference between two monitors with different resolutions, but, first, we are not there yet and, for me, even there, I just would like to have the highest resolution and PPI I can get, doesn't matter if I can't tell the pixels or it doesn't make any difference: that's exactly the point: I want images so dense that look exactly like the world around me.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Judicat0r
Moork
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Registered: Apr 2012
From United Kingdom
Posted January 23, 2021
All things being equal, your eyes are not going to be able to discern much, That is for someone with 20/20 vision.
In that video he talks about the contents in 8K and admits that if you sit close to the display, like gamers and their monitors I add, you can tell the difference.
The human eye can resolve details much, much thin especially when they emit light or are lit.
You wouldn't believe what the a normal human eye is capable of.
8k will make more of a difference to console gamers and pc gamers who plug in their PC's to televisions rather than monitors. For PC users who use their PC's for more than gaming (most of us) and sit at arms-length in front of their displays, 8k is not worth much, no matter what you say. I might be able to turn off anti-aliasing altogether. But then I'm also having to disable practically all advanced graphics effect to keep in the 30-60fps range on most modern AAA titles.
The fact is, for most PC users, they are not going to want, or need, an absolutely huge display at arms-length in front of their face. You actually see *less*, because you have to turn your heard to see things at the edges of the screen. And for that "privilege", what do they have to spend? What do they have to do to their graphis setting to keep an acceptable framerate?
In short, the disadvantages of 8k far outweigh the advantages in my own personal opinion.
I love my 4k, 32-inch, display over my 27-inch 1080 one, and I will admit going back to my 1080 one to game is a little painful. But nowhere near as painful or impactful as going from an HD monitor to a standard def one.
I repeat, every time resolution is doubled, the bang per buck is lessened. With 8k it has reached a point where you are spending too much cash for extremely little difference and actually, some huge disadvantages as well as I see it.
I've heard similar arguments in the Hi-Fi world claiming that the human ear is actually capable of hearing beyond the 20Hz - 20KHz and that it is worth spending huge amounts of cash on an amplifier that is capable of say 18Hz to 23KHz. Again, not really. When you equate how much extra you are spending to how much more fine detail you *may* be able to actually hear. Even if you have exceptionally good hearing, the amount of cash you are spending for very little is absurd.
People who make these kinds of arguments are normally folks who have spent a lot of cash and are hurt about people disqualifying their bragging rights.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Moork
Orkhepaj
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Registered: Apr 2012
From Hungary
Posted January 23, 2021
All things being equal, your eyes are not going to be able to discern much, That is for someone with 20/20 vision.
In that video he talks about the contents in 8K and admits that if you sit close to the display, like gamers and their monitors I add, you can tell the difference.
The human eye can resolve details much, much thin especially when they emit light or are lit.
You wouldn't believe what the a normal human eye is capable of.
all is this is throw out money for literally nothing in return
Edit:
To elaborate further it's clear that beyond a certain point we aren't able to tell the difference between two monitors with different resolutions, but, first, we are not there yet and, for me, even there, I just would like to have the highest resolution and PPI I can get, doesn't matter if I can't tell the pixels or it doesn't make any difference: that's exactly the point: I want images so dense that look exactly like the world around me.
it clearly part of this or similar topics as enjoyment is what we want to get from these technologies not just bigger numbers
Judicat0r
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Registered: Dec 2009
From Italy
Posted January 23, 2021
In that video he talks about the contents in 8K and admits that if you sit close to the display, like gamers and their monitors I add, you can tell the difference.
The human eye can resolve details much, much thin especially when they emit light or are lit.
You wouldn't believe what the a normal human eye is capable of.
8k will make more of a difference to console gamers and pc gamers who plug in their PC's to televisions rather than monitors. For PC users who use their PC's for more than gaming (most of us) and sit at arms-length in front of their displays, 8k is not worth much, no matter what you say. I might be able to turn off anti-aliasing altogether. But then I'm also having to disable practically all advanced graphics effect to keep in the 30-60fps range on most modern AAA titles.
The fact is, for most PC users, they are not going to want, or need, an absolutely huge display at arms-length in front of their face. You actually see *less*, because you have to turn your heard to see things at the edges of the screen. And for that "privilege", what do they have to spend? What do they have to do to their graphis setting to keep an acceptable framerate?
In short, the disadvantages of 8k far outweigh the advantages in my own personal opinion.
I love my 4k, 32-inch, display over my 27-inch 1080 one, and I will admit going back to my 1080 one to game is a little painful. But nowhere near as painful or impactful as going from an HD monitor to a standard def one.
I repeat, every time resolution is doubled, the bang per buck is lessened. With 8k it has reached a point where you are spending too much cash for extremely little difference and actually, some huge disadvantages as well as I see it.
I've heard similar arguments in the Hi-Fi world claiming that the human ear is actually capable of hearing beyond the 20Hz - 20KHz and that it is worth spending huge amounts of cash on an amplifier that is capable of say 18Hz to 23KHz. Again, not really. When you equate how much extra you are spending to how much more fine detail you *may* be able to actually hear. Even if you have exceptionally good hearing, the amount of cash you are spending for very little is absurd.
In the end it boils down to each's needs but these are subjective choices that are personal and I respect.
Different thing is the ability of the human eye, I'm far from having a perfect eyesight even with glasses but I would't mind at all an 8K monitor.
Orkhepaj
SuperStraight Win10 Groomer Smasher
Registered: Apr 2012
From Hungary
Posted January 23, 2021
People who make these kinds of arguments are normally folks who have spent a lot of cash and are hurt about people disqualifying their bragging rights.
imho people who buy these are the ones who just want to show off how much better they are than the others
they think if they buy these unnecessary expensive placebo luxury items they actually better than those who done , oh look how much better my hearing is than yours i need 5-30kHz sound system all the way with special amplifier and cables and error reduction cause my ears are so perfect they can hear the pesky flies farting from miles away
this is what i get all the time when i argue with them, but somehow when testing is involved they usually run or the results show they don't notice the differences at all
and all this is just still about noticing the differences not how much they enjoyment they get
do we really need superduper lossless perfect recordings for music to enjoy them? imho not at all
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Tallima
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Registered: Apr 2010
From United States
Posted January 23, 2021
On stupid questions:
GeraltOfRivia - I don't know who you are, and I'm guessing you're fairly young. You generate a lot of questions every day. But your questions generate pages of reading content every day and are actually gaming-related. So you'll see folks some and complain because they are a flood of topics with your name beside them.
But I'd rather have your topics than Donald Trump's hair, Hershey's chocolate being made from 1.7 million children kidnapped from their homes and enslaved, or other random oddities we see.
Your topics are light, often a bit odd and left-field, and sound to me like they are generated from a hyper youth, but that's okay. You be you, but do continue to mature. Maturity will open far more doors than immaturity throughout your life.
On 8k gaming
I'm not confident standard signals processing works too describe our eyes. We are too dynamic. We lean in, we glance around, we process differently at different parts of our eyes.
Also, we're not using our displays to maximum benefit. We have little going on vertically.
I think we have more to go in our visuals.
But most folks won't be going 8k for a long time. We're hitting Moore's Law limits soon and displays are still rather expensive. Color representation, anti-glare, price, and built-in post-processing are higher on my list than resolution at this point.
GeraltOfRivia - I don't know who you are, and I'm guessing you're fairly young. You generate a lot of questions every day. But your questions generate pages of reading content every day and are actually gaming-related. So you'll see folks some and complain because they are a flood of topics with your name beside them.
But I'd rather have your topics than Donald Trump's hair, Hershey's chocolate being made from 1.7 million children kidnapped from their homes and enslaved, or other random oddities we see.
Your topics are light, often a bit odd and left-field, and sound to me like they are generated from a hyper youth, but that's okay. You be you, but do continue to mature. Maturity will open far more doors than immaturity throughout your life.
On 8k gaming
I'm not confident standard signals processing works too describe our eyes. We are too dynamic. We lean in, we glance around, we process differently at different parts of our eyes.
Also, we're not using our displays to maximum benefit. We have little going on vertically.
I think we have more to go in our visuals.
But most folks won't be going 8k for a long time. We're hitting Moore's Law limits soon and displays are still rather expensive. Color representation, anti-glare, price, and built-in post-processing are higher on my list than resolution at this point.
Orkhepaj
SuperStraight Win10 Groomer Smasher
Registered: Apr 2012
From Hungary
Posted January 23, 2021
In the end it boils down to each's needs but these are subjective choices that are personal and I respect.
Different thing is the ability of the human eye, I'm far from having a perfect eyesight even with glasses but I would't mind at all an 8K monitor.
it is not about who would mind it at all, it is about what you have to give up to get 8k
and that is a lot atm, it is way more expensive and requires more calculations
Judicat0r
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Registered: Dec 2009
From Italy
Posted January 23, 2021
In that video he talks about the contents in 8K and admits that if you sit close to the display, like gamers and their monitors I add, you can tell the difference.
The human eye can resolve details much, much thin especially when they emit light or are lit.
You wouldn't believe what the a normal human eye is capable of.
Provided you have a healthy eyesight your eyes are very much capable of that, but wheter it is worth it or not then it up to you and a totally different topic altogether, we can agree on that.
Edit:
To elaborate further it's clear that beyond a certain point we aren't able to tell the difference between two monitors with different resolutions, but, first, we are not there yet and, for me, even there, I just would like to have the highest resolution and PPI I can get, doesn't matter if I can't tell the pixels or it doesn't make any difference: that's exactly the point: I want images so dense that look exactly like the world around me.
it clearly part of this or similar topics as enjoyment is what we want to get from these technologies not just bigger numbers
OK for you it isn't worth it, I respect that.
Believe it or not there ispeople who would like to have devices capable of displaying content that hit the limit and go even beyond the human eyesight.
In the end it boils down to each's needs but these are subjective choices that are personal and I respect.
Different thing is the ability of the human eye, I'm far from having a perfect eyesight even with glasses but I would't mind at all an 8K monitor.
it is not about who would mind it at all, it is about what you have to give up to get 8k
and that is a lot atm, it is way more expensive and requires more calculations
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Judicat0r
Time4Tea
Free speech and honey!
Registered: Jan 2015
From United States
Posted January 23, 2021
I've been using a 1080p monitor for years and I am perfectly happy with it. I don't see a need to ever increase my pixel count, unless an earthquake strikes my basement, destroying my monitor, and they have stopped making 1080p ones by then.
In terms of graphics, I value FPS and view distance (for open-world games) much more highly than pixel count.
In terms of graphics, I value FPS and view distance (for open-world games) much more highly than pixel count.
Moork
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Registered: Apr 2012
From United Kingdom
Posted January 23, 2021
In terms of graphics, I value FPS and view distance (for open-world games) much more highly than pixel count.
But hey, you say you're perfectly happy with 1080p and good on you! That's what this really all comes down to, is how you, individually, are happiest.
If someone wants to spend big on 8k for, what I personally believe, is very little benefit and quite a few trade-offs that I personally would not want to make, then that's up to them. The most you can do is inform people about what you know on the subject, and what you personally have experienced, and leave folks to make their choices from a more informed perspective. This way, I hope that people are happy with the choices they make, and if they are, all well with the world :)
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Moork