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Posted October 11, 2015
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Fomalhaut30: We would have to replace all the mile marker signs, speed limit signs, distance signs, and on/off ramp signs (since those tend to be based on mileage). That would be an unbelievable cost for something that has little to no practical usage in that area.
Considering a lot of the infrastructure (bridges and dams) are in serious need of servicing and not getting it... This would add to the problem most likely...

As much as it seems like it would be a problem, at the same time it wouldn't. If you change your address, the DMV in some states issues you a sticker you replace the bottom of your driver's license. To the same effect, printing weather resistant labels and replacing the markers with appropriate changes would be less costly; Probably some cities would actually get the full work done and other sections get patches. After which you keep working your way out until everything gets converted. Probably take a few years...

The speedometers in cars would be more annoying to change over... Most likely for speed signs you'd add the new speed sign, leave the old one up for a couple years, then remove the old one when everyone's switched over...
Posted October 12, 2015
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rtcvb32: Considering a lot of the infrastructure (bridges and dams) are in serious need of servicing and not getting it... This would add to the problem most likely...

As much as it seems like it would be a problem, at the same time it wouldn't. If you change your address, the DMV in some states issues you a sticker you replace the bottom of your driver's license. To the same effect, printing weather resistant labels and replacing the markers with appropriate changes would be less costly; Probably some cities would actually get the full work done and other sections get patches. After which you keep working your way out until everything gets converted. Probably take a few years...

The speedometers in cars would be more annoying to change over... Most likely for speed signs you'd add the new speed sign, leave the old one up for a couple years, then remove the old one when everyone's switched over...
1. Stickers are easy to vandalize.
2. Covering all those miles and what is probably millions of signs still isn't a small expense.
3. Expecting everyone to switch over is laughable.
Also consider mile markers and other things where a sticker wouldn't suffice, that is not a small thing to overhaul by any means.
Post edited October 12, 2015 by tammerwhisk
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: 1. Stickers are easy to vandalize.
2. Covering all those miles and what is probably millions of signs still isn't a small expense.
3. Expecting everyone to switch over is laughable.
Also consider mile markers and other things where a sticker wouldn't suffice, that is not a small thing to overhaul by any means.
1) As are mirrors, signs, doors, bathrooms, blank walls, etc.
2) Probably not. However if they gave them to highway patrolmen/police with a 1-a-day they could probably do one each time they are on a road until all of them are done, expenses minimized rather than hiring new teams and instead using some of the time already available.

Never said the overhaul would be easy, it would take some time, but once done things would be far better.. like if everyone switched to Dvorak keyboards instead of Qwerty, the strain on hands while typing could be minimized for millions of future people, children getting into computers and the future work force.
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: 1. Stickers are easy to vandalize.
2. Covering all those miles and what is probably millions of signs still isn't a small expense.
3. Expecting everyone to switch over is laughable.
Also consider mile markers and other things where a sticker wouldn't suffice, that is not a small thing to overhaul by any means.
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rtcvb32: 1) As are mirrors, signs, doors, bathrooms, blank walls, etc.
2) Probably not. However if they gave them to highway patrolmen/police with a 1-a-day they could probably do one each time they are on a road until all of them are done, expenses minimized rather than hiring new teams and instead using some of the time already available.

Never said the overhaul would be easy, it would take some time, but once done things would be far better.. like if everyone switched to Dvorak keyboards instead of Qwerty, the strain on hands while typing could be minimized for millions of future people, children getting into computers and the future work force.
Do you realize how many accidents and how much confusion there would be during a gradual switch-over? It would be a logistical nightmare. Our roads are already a clusterfuck in some areas last thing we need is a largely pointless transition to a different system. We already use metric in all the areas that it truly makes a major difference (science/technology), anything else is going to be needlessly expensive and complex with no benefit.

Also, Dvorak sucks as does AZERTY.
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: Do you realize how many accidents and how much confusion there would be during a gradual switch-over? It would be a logistical nightmare. Our roads are already a clusterfuck in some areas last thing we need is a largely pointless transition to a different system. We already use metric in all the areas that it truly makes a major difference (science/technology), anything else is going to be needlessly expensive and complex with no benefit.

Also, Dvorak sucks as does AZERTY.
Probably the same amount there currently are. I went to korea, used a military vehicle with miles as it's speedometer and did just fine doing the simple mental conversions and speed matching with no real problems.

Besides... In some areas in the country the speed limits are totally ignored. In North Carolina i recall going 70mph, which was like 15mph over the speed limit, and getting passed by semis. If there's accidents, it won't be from reading the speed limit signs.
Posted October 12, 2015
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Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: That is exactly why both systems have their uses. For general use and approximations imperial is infinitely easier to relay (for most usage you will be dealing with 1-2 positive digits and maybe the occasional fraction). For scientific, technical, or any that requires precision though metric is definitely the way to go.

In the US we learn both and the common conversions, the only reason a lot of people don't know/use metric is because post-schooling a lot of people never have a real reason to use metric (and thus forget from disuse) unless one is in a scientific or technical field the precision is unnecessary. For general trivial things dealing with a decimal and sometimes negatives is a pain in the ass.

For example the outdoor temperature with the metric system negatives and decimals come up all the time, with Fahrenheit there are "more degrees" within the range humans typically inhabit for many locales negatives are rarely used and decimals are never needed generally.

Celsius "normal outdoor temperature ranges": -17.77~C to 37.77~C
Fahrenheit "normal outdoor temperature range": 0 to 100
(ignoring extremes)
You are not actually making any arguments that amounts to anything other than "im used to it".

I am not someone who really cares, here in Britain imperial is still used around and I know both pretty well (better than some here as my parents completely used it). Even if you just dont want to change because it is your preference then that is fine, but imperial is not better either so just leave it as that.

As for the temperature thing, that is just more "im used to it" bias. If there was a country that used a new system that went from 33.123 - 36.004 for the entirety of normal living temperature ranges (making up numbers because it doesnt matter) it would be as completely sensible and relatable to them, without any question, as Fahrenheit is to you.
Posted October 12, 2015
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mabrookes: As for the temperature thing, that is just more "im used to it" bias. If there was a country that used a new system that went from 33.123 - 36.004 for the entirety of normal living temperature ranges (making up numbers because it doesnt matter) it would be as completely sensible and relatable to them, without any question, as Fahrenheit is to you.
Such a system would get overhauled or people would gravitate to other systems out of convenience. Familiarity is one of many factors involved.

I use both metric and imperial regularly and appreciate the strengths of both systems, but I prefer imperial for non-professional/general use (applications where accuracy and conversions are unnecessary). Metric is not convenient for trivial things.
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: For example the outdoor temperature with the metric system negatives and decimals come up all the time, with Fahrenheit there are "more degrees" within the range humans typically inhabit for many locales negatives are rarely used and decimals are never needed generally.

Celsius "normal outdoor temperature ranges": -17.77~C to 37.77~C
Fahrenheit "normal outdoor temperature range": 0 to 100
I'm just coming into this thread, I have no idea what's being discussed, but that was so ridiculous it made me laugh. I mean, the use of two places after the decimal point.

What's wrong with writing

Celsius "normal outdoor temperature ranges": -17C to 37C
Fahrenheit "normal outdoor temperature range": 0F to 100F

I mean, that's somewhat silly as well (due to the selective definition of "normal"), but the implication that decimals are somehow really needed, to the point of needing two digits for the fraction, is flat out hysterical.

Fahrenheit has less than twice the accuracy of Centigrade. The most you would need is marking half degrees C, and that would already make it slightly more accurate than F.
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: For example the outdoor temperature with the metric system negatives and decimals come up all the time, with Fahrenheit there are "more degrees" within the range humans typically inhabit for many locales negatives are rarely used and decimals are never needed generally.

Celsius "normal outdoor temperature ranges": -17.77~C to 37.77~C
Fahrenheit "normal outdoor temperature range": 0 to 100
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ET3D: I'm just coming into this thread, I have no idea what's being discussed, but that was so ridiculous it made me laugh. I mean, the use of two places after the decimal point.

What's wrong with writing

Celsius "normal outdoor temperature ranges": -17C to 37C
Fahrenheit "normal outdoor temperature range": 0F to 100F

I mean, that's somewhat silly as well (due to the selective definition of "normal"), but the implication that decimals are somehow really needed, to the point of needing two digits for the fraction, is flat out hysterical.

Fahrenheit has less than twice the accuracy of Centigrade. The most you would need is marking half degrees C, and that would already make it slightly more accurate than F.
Well, for one that would ignore how rounding generally works. For two if we are talking room temperature .77~ can make a hell of a difference for some people. And if you notice I put the whole phrase involving the word 'normal' in quotation marks for a reason.
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: Well, for one that would ignore how rounding generally works. For two if we are talking room temperature .77~ can make a hell of a difference for some people.
I doubt people would be able to tell the difference between 0.77 and 0.8 of a degree, and if someone can tell the difference between .77 and 1, they'd also be able to tell the difference between 0.5F and 1F.

So yes, there's a slight difference in accuracy, and it might matter in some cases, but, again, using two decimal points is totally ridiculous.
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: Well, for one that would ignore how rounding generally works. For two if we are talking room temperature .77~ can make a hell of a difference for some people.
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ET3D: I doubt people would be able to tell the difference between 0.77 and 0.8 of a degree, and if someone can tell the difference between .77 and 1, they'd also be able to tell the difference between 0.5F and 1F.

So yes, there's a slight difference in accuracy, and it might matter in some cases, but, again, using two decimal points is totally ridiculous.
.77 in C is just under one and a half degrees in Fahrenheit, so your example needs work.
Food for thought if convenience and simplicity didn't matter with measurement systems (read: less numbers and or whole numbers) Kelvins would be used instead of Celsius for everything.
Post edited October 12, 2015 by tammerwhisk
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: .77 in C is just under one and a half degrees in Fahrenheit, so your example needs work.
Food for thought if convenience and simplicity didn't matter with measurement systems (read: less numbers and or whole numbers) Kelvins would be used instead of Celsius for everything.
Why are you so hung up about .77? That's just you having that number. I didn't mean to compare 37C to 100F, it's just that 37C is as 'normal' a high temperature as 100F. The entire point is that using two decimal points is just your own silliness and brings nothing to the table. (This is the point to post one of these "not sure if stupid or trolling" pictures.)

There's no difference between F and C in simplicity, and very little other practical difference for everyday life. They're simply different scales.
Post edited October 12, 2015 by ET3D
Posted October 12, 2015
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ET3D: There's no difference between F and C in simplicity, and very little other practical difference for everyday life. They're simply different scales.
Except for the whole fact C necessitates the use of decimals if someone wants any sort of precision and will frequently require the use of negatives for non-tropical and or equatorial climates. For general use whole numbers are a lot simpler to remember and work with.
Post edited October 12, 2015 by tammerwhisk
Posted October 12, 2015
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tammerwhisk: Except for the whole fact C necessitates the use of decimals if someone wants any sort of precision
It doesn't. Just like water boils in temperatures between 68 °C (154 °F) and 100 °C (212 °F) depending on altitude, so does the temperature required for most things. Unless you are talking about very specific circumstances (or human body temperature), the decimal points are ignored. And guess what, normal human body temperature in Fahrenheit is 98.2±0.72 °F. Look at that, decimal points. Two of them.

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tammerwhisk: and will frequently require the use of negatives for non-tropical and or equatorial climates.
Yes. If temperature is below zero, ice can be encountered. If temperature is above, ice will rarely be encountered. What is the threshold for ice in Fahrenheit?

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tammerwhisk: For general use whole numbers are a lot simpler to remember and work with.
Practice makes perfect, just like with all systems. Remembering that positive = no ice, negative = ice is easier than remembering an arbitrary point of change, at least if you haven't learnt said arbitrary point from a young age. Said point is 273 btw, if using the Kelvin scale.
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