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timppu: What (non-gaming) popular modern technology/inventions/trends you hate?
Any tech that supports the invasion of privacy. The urge, the drive to have everything on everyone available for anyone that cares (mostly the business/ industrial world) with the click of a button.
Post edited March 29, 2019 by Anothername
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GameRager: 1. Yes, there does indeed have to be some form of challenge/competition to make "winning" have any meaning.....elsewise where's the specialness of it? Where's the value? If everyone is a winner, then is winning more than just "fluff" and basically worthless?
Challenge yes, competition no. (See my TGM2 Death example; if everyone within a group is a winner, that really means that everyone in the group is really good at Tetris; it has value simply because clearing TGM2 Death is not an easy task.)
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GameRager: f an event/sport has one set winner(usually among two teams/players) according to points scored/time spent, then no.....not everyone can or should win.
If the event has just one set winner, then it is an event that I would prefer to avoid.

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GameRager: 6. I'm sorry you found it offensive, but truth be told I find it a good character trait/solution to one's problems(Over obsessing over fairness in various aspects of life/whatever else is bothering me at the moment). :\]
No, simply "growing thicker skin", in the contexts that I have seen it used, is not a way to solve the problem; it just buries it, with the results being potentially explosive later.

Also, if I'me being mistreated, why should *I* have to be the one to change? Why can't the bullies change their behavior (in this case, stop being sore winners)?
Post edited March 29, 2019 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: 1. Challenge yes, competition no. (See my TGM2 Death example; if everyone within a group is a winner, that really means that everyone in the group is really good at Tetris; it has value simply because clearing TGM2 Death is not an easy task.)
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2. If the event has just one set winner, then it is an event that I would prefer to avoid.
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3. No, simply "growing thicker skin", in the contexts that I have seen it used, is not a way to solve the problem; it just buries it, with the results being potentially explosive later.
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4. Also, if I'me being mistreated, why should *I* have to be the one to change? Why can't the bullies change their behavior (in this case, stop being sore winners)?
1. Yes, there DOES have to be competition of some sort(in those cases the competition IS the game/AI itself. And even in games with NO AI and no competition there is always going to be people comparing themselves to other players of said game in some way, to feel better about themselves/etc.

Also, if we declare everyone a winner at tetris(in your example) regardless of them actually winning somehow(best time/score/etc) then basically you're saying that those who are objectively bad at the game are as good as those who are the best at playing it......which is objectively wrong.
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2. Why? Why is the thought of someone losing so hard to accept? We all lose at something at some point. In those cases it's best to remember the old mantra of changing what you can(for the better), accepting that some things can't be changed/bettered to a significant degree(in this case losing at some things because of lack of skill/talent/luck/etc), and knowing how to tell the difference & live with it
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3. In some cases, yes, but often it's better to move on(not ignore something but to choose to not let it affect you while acknowledging it/moving past it).
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4. Why? For a few reasons:

It's often easier to handle a problem yourself then to try to force someone else to change(not to mention how morally "wrong" it is to force such change on others").

They aren't bullying you of their own free will, usually(they are often influenced by others/society, as I said).

To be the "better" person, and set a good example(of not letting stuff bother you, and how not winning shouldn't bother them).

Note: In the end, it's up to both parties to compromise and work things out, but if both sides adopt a "why should I do x when they won't?" approach then nothing will get solved.
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Anothername: Any tech that supports the invasion of privacy. The urge, the drive to have everything on everyone available for anyone that cares (mostly the business/ industrial world) with the click of a button.
THIS. I laughed when I started seeing those home assistants(essentially spy tech for big business to profile/advertise to people) for simple things like turning on/off lights, answering the phone, etc. People are so lazy they'd rather have spy tech in their house than be arsed to turn on the lights and feed the pets.

Also as to the original topic of this thread: The(relatively, in the earth's history) recent trend of driving everywhere(even a block away) because people would rather use u[p precious fossil fuels and pollute the air/etc than walk a bit.
Post edited March 29, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: 2. Why? Why is the thought of someone losing so hard to accept? We all lose at something at some point. In those cases it's best to remember the old mantra of changing what you can(for the better), accepting that some things can't be changed/bettered to a significant degree(in this case losing at some things because of lack of skill/talent/luck/etc), and knowing how to tell the difference & live with it
The problem isn't so much losing, but rather it's when one of the following happens:
* When someone loses because of the actions of others
* When someone is further punished for losing (for example, by sore losers; this is also one reason I dislike permadeath in video games)

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GameRager: 4. Why? For a few reasons:

It's often easier to handle a problem yourself then to try to force someone else to change(not to mention how morally "wrong" it is to force such change on others").

They aren't bullying you of their own free will, usually(they are often influenced by others/society, as I said).

To be the "better" person, and set a good example(of not letting stuff bother you, and how not winning shouldn't bother them).

Note: In the end, it's up to both parties to compromise and work things out, but if both sides adopt a "why should I do x when they won't?" approach then nothing will get solved.
Changing is not always possible, for example if the bullying is due to a characteristic such as height, handedness, or not being neurotypical.

(Also, I'm not talking about sore losers; I'm talking about sore winners, who gloat about their victory in the face of those who they defeat, and who bully the losers for losing. (I also note that it is the sore winners who have given the term "loser" such a negative connotation.))
Post edited March 29, 2019 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: The problem isn't so much losing, but rather it's when one of the following happens:
* When someone loses because of the actions of others
* When someone is further punished for losing (for example, by sore losers; this is also one reason I dislike permadeath in video games)
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Changing is not always possible, for example if the bullying is due to a characteristic such as height, handedness, or not being neurotypical.

(Also, I'm not talking about sore losers; I'm talking about sore winners, who gloat about their victory in the face of those who they defeat, and who bully the losers for losing. (I also note that it is the sore winners who have given the term "loser" such a negative connotation.))
Most of the time, though, people "lose" because they're not lucky/skilled enough to win at that event(though sometimes cheating does occur).

(Losing is in quotes as I see it as winning in that it can provide a test to better one';s self or move on to other things one is better suited to & have new experiences as a result.)

As for permadeath: I also dislike it, so on that we agree.
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It's not always possible, but one can choose to ignore something or not let it bother them/move past it while bettering themselves or trying new things.

(I was also talking about sore winners, btw. As I said, they have been conditioned by others and as such are not fully responsible for their behavior imo.)
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An addendum: I have to say thank you for the conversation/debate thus far. While we may not see eye to eye on some things, I like being able to talk to someone on the "opposing" side of an argument without being called names constantly or downvoted/shunned because of my views.
Social media. They are to our culture and society what plastic trash is to Earth's biosphere.
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GameRager: Most of the time, though, people "lose" because they're not lucky/skilled enough to win at that event(though sometimes cheating does occur).

(Losing is in quotes as I see it as winning in that it can provide a test to better one';s self or move on to other things one is better suited to & have new experiences as a result.)
The problem comes when you lose to a sore winner, and it's that sort of thing that turns me off to competition.

Now, if you lose to an opponent who is a good sport, or lose in a single player game, then the problem isn't so bad, provided you're not one who gets irrationally angry whenever you lose. (If you're that type of person, you probably don't want to play what could be called "troll games", or games that hit the player with traps that will cause an unsuspecting player to suddenly lose.)

Losing to someone who is a good sport and has the mindset of a teacher could definitely be a good learning experience. Losing to a sore winner, however, is not.
Pretty much everything past 2000 with a few exceptions like USB, solid state drives, and flat screen monitors. Pretty much everything else has been 'monkeys with guns' tech used to distract mindless hordes of unwashed masses who can't change a flat tire, let alone actually program one of the hundreds of apps they have on their smart phone.

I used to think that technology would help save us. Now it's kind of the opposite.

They have a saying in comedy. They say your job is to always be entertaining the dumbest person in the room. I think you could make the same statement now for tech. In the 90s we were talking about an open source, free internet that would help people gain true knowledge and level the playing field against those in power. Now we're shadow banning people on Twitter because they said they didn't like Kim Kardassian's new hair-do. None of this crap makes any sense to me any more. And as an early adopter of tech back in the day, it is truly sad to watch unfold.
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dtgreene: The problem comes when you lose to a sore winner, and it's that sort of thing that turns me off to competition.
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Ugh, just feel sorry for anyone like that because it's pathetic and just brush it off. And from personal experience at least it's rare to come across someone like that.
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dtgreene: Actually, I do have one problem with this: The fact that there's recorded music playing *everywhere* in public, including stores (including grocery stores and other types of stores), doctor's offices (in the waiting room), and restaurants. Maybe some quite would be nice? (Also, background music makes it harder to have conversations with others.)
This.

And even worse "smell generators" in shops. I hate that, it makes me dizzy and gives me headaches. If I know, I avoid shops that use this.
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dtgreene: Actually, I do have one problem with this: The fact that there's recorded music playing *everywhere* in public, including stores (including grocery stores and other types of stores), doctor's offices (in the waiting room), and restaurants. Maybe some quite would be nice? (Also, background music makes it harder to have conversations with others.)
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toxicTom: This.
Hm? Where in Germany do you have recorded music in public, shops etc? I don't think I've ever heard it in a supermarket. Same with everywhere else except for one dentist (out of four) and the barber I'm going to these days. In the case of the dentist it's classical music and the barber has low volume, relaxing one. I've never been to a doctor that had music in the waiting room which is good because I'm either doing nothing, reflecting or reading a book.
Post edited March 29, 2019 by Lucumo
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Matewis: Too much plastic in tools / general appliances. Especially screw threads in plastic that get worn out. I mean, why?? Well money yes, but still...
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GameRager: Plastic waste in general, is a BIG problem(talking about 1 use containers for drinks/food/tech/etc). Most of it either ends up being burned( countries are hesitant due to their economy/trash backlog) near where it is "recycled" or it ends up in the oceans/landfills(and then in our bodies eventually).
It can be turned back into fuel using pyrolosis. I mean while we're still burning coal why the F*&^ not. Plastic isn't an issue an underwhelming recycling focus is.
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teceem: Recorded music.

Don't be so lazy and learn to play an instrument. Or go outside, be social, hear a minstrel playing!
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dtgreene: Actually, I do have one problem with this: The fact that there's recorded music playing *everywhere* in public, including stores (including grocery stores and other types of stores), doctor's offices (in the waiting room), and restaurants. Maybe some quite would be nice? (Also, background music makes it harder to have conversations with others.)

Related issue: TV in public places, especially when they're showing sports programs.
What's worse is that it's all toned down liberal teetotaller censored crap. Every time I hear Cee Lo Greens 'f&^% you' with the word replaced with 'forget' it makes me want to snap someones neck because 'i don't want to live on the planet any more' :P.
Don't get me wrong i'm surprised anywhere plays it at all because it doesn't change the antagonistic message of the song AT ALL, but i'm like... why!?!
We teach children not to swear, but name one adult that doesn't drop the word shit or f&*% at home or around friends.
It's even beside the point because the underlying reason why we teach children not to swear is to curtail their defiance of authority and civilize them to a cultural norm in preparation for a future work life that isn't going to reward them as stagnant wage growth is here today proving that hey maybe defying authority is possibly going to be much more important in our Orwellian future.
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Lucumo: Hm? Where in Germany do you have recorded music in public, shops etc?
Everywhere? Not having some "music" blaring away in the background (interrupted by self-promotion and the latest "sale") is really the exception. In big malls (try Leipzig main station for instance) just passing through will clutter your head with like 20 different songs just while passing by all the shops - and the station itself has also playing music...
Smart phones in general. I was a t a local college to do work, and literally 4 out of every 5 people had earbuds in, and 3 out of 5 had their phones in hand (not always with earbuds). This is incredibly dangerous when walking through an urban sprawl due to traffic and such because you become mostly oblivious to the world around you which includes muggers and cars just trying to traverse the city. Is it really so important to be connected RIGHT NOW that you can't wait until you get to your destination?
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DadJoke007: I hate smartphones and the zombiefied idiot culture that it created. When I take a peek out the window, I see morons staring into their phone as they walk. Even when people are crossing the road they're staring at that screen. The smartphone "enforces" (in lack of better word) stupid and dangerous behaviors while robbing people of social skills.

GET OF MY LAWN and so on.
EDIT: Basically this.
Post edited March 29, 2019 by paladin181