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Brasas: More importantly, my character is not actually very well suited to politics. I'm by nature skeptical and contrarian. If I wanted to be a politician: I would certainly not denounce mobbing, but join in. I would not try to point to both sides where they are wrong, but I would choose the most powerful one. And I most certainly would not care about trying to help others understand themselves better, but would just use those readings of others to manipulate them.
Note to self: Find a way to turn Brasas to the dark side, use his talents for evil, and take over the world.

:P
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Brasas: Let me ask this: do you see a logical possibility that my inaction AND Jane's action, both cause her harm? Both are necessary and not sufficient causes. Why do you see it as being an EITHER / OR situation?

Let's not talk about blame yet ok? Blame implies moral responsbility. For now let's talk causation only. We'll get to blame and morals soon enough as we clear the ground of semantic obstacles.

I'm also ignoring your other hypotheticals for now because I think they muddy the waters. Only for now... I have no problem coming back to them later.

And gnostic, if there is one thing I really respect in you, even more than your stoic ascetism, it's your willingness to question. Cheers.
Ignoring my other hypothetical? You mean the statement that I cannot cause harm to myself by ignoring others? I thought since you do not response to that you already realize that the statement is true.

Now to the hard part.

Sunshinecorp has given a simplification Correlation does not imply causation

If we nuke correlation out of the dictionary, the terms we have to fall back on is a very negligible cause. So negligible that one can say it does not cause the hurt at all.

Before I go deeper in that, I want to set the context straight. It is not ignoring Jane that Jane is hurt. Jane is hurt because she did not see you act in a way that cater to her.
Lets say you do not ignore her but take action by rejecting her. Will she see that and feel happy?
Lets say you accept her love and do lover stuff to her, but still see another girlfriend or marry another women, will she see that and feel happy?

She is hurt because she need to see you acting in a way that cater to her, by not satisfying her need that she created herself, she is hurt.

If we are going to say you by not acting in a way that cater to her have a non negligible cause of her hurt.
We can also say light cause her hurt. Because what she sees is a reflection of light and by not seeing a combination of light that cater to her she is hurt.

We can also say vibration cause her hurt. The sound "I love you" is a vibration of the air molecules traveling to reach her ear. By not hearing a certain vibration that cater to her she is hurt.

We can also say electrochemistry cause her hurt. The reflection of light is picked up by the retina and in turn convert to electrochemistry to her brain, likewise vibration is picked up by the eardrum and converted into electrochemistry to send to her brain. By not receiving a combination of electrochemistry that cater to her cause her hurt.

We can say being alive cause her hurt, because being alive can she receive electrochemistry that does not cater to her. Being dead she will not receive electrochemistry that does not cater to her.

We can say her parents cause her hurt, because they brought her alive to this world and able to receive electrochemistry that does not cater to her.

We can then say her ancestor cause her hurt, by bring in her parents to this world alive which in turn bring her alive, hence expose to elements that does not cater to her.

We can say society cause her hurt, by enabling her ancestor to be alive and well enough to bring in her parents alive and then her, Hence expose to elements that does not cater to her.

We can say nature / god / material / earth cause her hurt, by enabling human society which in a chain of events make her alive. Hence expose to elements that does not cater to her.

Finally we can say the universe and everything in existent, imaginary or real cause her hurt.

Rather then using negligible cause, Correlation is a easier word.

Fuff, such a long wall of text, damn you Sunshinecorp for leaving the work to me.
Post edited March 13, 2016 by Gnostic
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Gnostic: Fuff, such a long wall of text, damn you Sunshinecorp for leaving the work to me.
I can't be expected to work. I'm royalty.
Also, isn't it scary that I know you mentioned me, even though you didn't quote me?
Scary royalty.
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Gnostic: Fuff, such a long wall of text, damn you Sunshinecorp for leaving the work to me.
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sunshinecorp: I can't be expected to work. I'm royalty.
Also, isn't it scary that I know you mentioned me, even though you didn't quote me?
Scary royalty.
Antigonid dynasty?
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sunshinecorp: I can't be expected to work. I'm royalty.
Also, isn't it scary that I know you mentioned me, even though you didn't quote me?
Scary royalty.
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Emob78: Antigonid dynasty?
Just Dynasty.
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Gnostic: Fuff, such a long wall of text, damn you Sunshinecorp for leaving the work to me.
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sunshinecorp: I can't be expected to work. I'm royalty.
Also, isn't it scary that I know you mentioned me, even though you didn't quote me?
Scary royalty.
I thought you just confess that you work as a physicist?
Post edited March 13, 2016 by Gnostic
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I miss the time that anyone could post here.

If you are a Christian lurker, do not bother, really, unless you are charmingly firm, other cheek kind of a person.

If you are a girl gamer - good on u! But where are you?

If you are a homo-gamer, or inclusion friend, I hope you cared when I posted about Dethmold. I've never played The Withcer 2 again. And really, ideally, I wanted to.


Yet I am still here. Because gog,com meant Baldur's Gate. Then. Is about setting some aside, now, I wonder?
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sunshinecorp: I can't be expected to work. I'm royalty.
Also, isn't it scary that I know you mentioned me, even though you didn't quote me?
Scary royalty.
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Gnostic: I thought you just confess that you work as a physicist?
I never once uttered the word "work" or anything related. I said I am a physicist.
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Gnostic: I thought you just confess that you work as a physicist?
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sunshinecorp: I never once uttered the word "work" or anything related. I said I am a physicist.
How do you make a living then? I thought Greece does not have Kings and royalty anymore.
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sunshinecorp: I never once uttered the word "work" or anything related. I said I am a physicist.
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Gnostic: How do you make a living then? I thought Greece does not have Kings and royalty anymore.
I don't believe in countries either.
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Gnostic: How do you make a living then? I thought Greece does not have Kings and royalty anymore.
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sunshinecorp: I don't believe in countries either.
How about planet Mars, or Cybertron? Krypton?
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Gnostic: How do you make a living then? I thought Greece does not have Kings and royalty anymore.
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sunshinecorp: I don't believe in countries either.
I knew a guy who didn't believe in Beatles; he just believed in him.
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sunshinecorp: I don't believe in countries either.
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tinyE: I knew a guy who didn't believe in Beatles; he just believed in him.
There's only two left, so probably not a good idea anyway. You can still believe in Paul Mcartney, but all your friends will say you have a shitty taste in music.
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sunshinecorp: I don't believe in countries either.
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Gnostic: How about planet Mars, or Cybertron? Krypton?
I've been to Mars several times, nothing to write home about.
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Brasas: Edited for emphasis.
I am here for residual love of Baldur's Gate.

But you highlight this lack of assumed fora excitement. Maybe because: the fora is now to your ideal, and on second thought you do not like it?


I liked your style, or like it, as you know, because I was hardened by a particular opinion. Being pro-homo, to be precise.

But often I thought it was unkind, and brutal, the way you encountered opinions not pleasing to you.

I am here, maybe - but some of those whom could be, are not.