Posted March 12, 2016
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Tarm
MK III
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From Sweden
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sunshinecorp
Ordained Dudeist
Registered: Jul 2011
From Greece
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted March 12, 2016
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I'll take your word for this but the thought still nags at me.
I admitted I am lying even to myself, and am trying to project a better self than what I really see in myself.
Chew on that ;) and then tell me if I am suited for politics or not.
One should lead by example, or not at all. Despite being imperfect.
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MK III
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From Sweden
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
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MK III
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From Sweden
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sunshinecorp
Ordained Dudeist
Registered: Jul 2011
From Greece
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MK III
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From Sweden
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sunshinecorp
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From Greece
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MK III
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From Sweden
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sunshinecorp
Ordained Dudeist
Registered: Jul 2011
From Greece
Posted March 12, 2016
Guys, I think Brasas is about to kick us out. And at this point, who'd blame the dude?
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted March 12, 2016
But it's my hypothetical. :)
I can precise it further until you are satisfied that my inaction caused Jane harm. Rather than having accidentally happened at the same time.
I mean, I thought the causation was obvious. Maybe expand why you don't see causation in my proposed scenario?
If you want to define causation to imply action, sure I guess. But then please tell me what word I need to use that does not imply moral agency, but does imply determinist causation.
So you were serious from the start about me and politics, and my original answer stands. :D
Aren't paradoxes fun?
Hmmm... that's perhaps too revealing... [kicks himself out of the thread for a while]
I can precise it further until you are satisfied that my inaction caused Jane harm. Rather than having accidentally happened at the same time.
I mean, I thought the causation was obvious. Maybe expand why you don't see causation in my proposed scenario?
If you want to define causation to imply action, sure I guess. But then please tell me what word I need to use that does not imply moral agency, but does imply determinist causation.
So you were serious from the start about me and politics, and my original answer stands. :D
Aren't paradoxes fun?
Hmmm... that's perhaps too revealing... [kicks himself out of the thread for a while]
Post edited March 12, 2016 by Brasas
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sunshinecorp
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From Greece
Posted March 12, 2016
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I can precise it further until you are satisfied that my inaction caused Jane harm. Rather than having accidentally happened at the same time.
I mean, I thought the causation was obvious. Maybe expand why you don't see causation in my proposed scenario?
If you want to define causation to imply action, sure I guess. But then please tell me what word I need to use that does not imply moral agency, but does imply determinist causation.
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Tarm
MK III
Registered: Sep 2008
From Sweden
Posted March 12, 2016
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I can precise it further until you are satisfied that my inaction caused Jane harm. Rather than having accidentally happened at the same time.
I mean, I thought the causation was obvious. Maybe expand why you don't see causation in my proposed scenario?
If you want to define causation to imply action, sure I guess. But then please tell me what word I need to use that does not imply moral agency, but does imply determinist causation.
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I can precise it further until you are satisfied that my inaction caused Jane harm. Rather than having accidentally happened at the same time.
I mean, I thought the causation was obvious. Maybe expand why you don't see causation in my proposed scenario?
If you want to define causation to imply action, sure I guess. But then please tell me what word I need to use that does not imply moral agency, but does imply determinist causation.
![avatar](http://images.gog.com/0beb6642bde53b0a76e029adc4c4869ec15f3e6cd7a05aa082eb26fdbe7ae5e4_avm.jpg)
Aren't paradoxes fun?
Hmmm... that's perhaps too revealing... [kicks himself out of the thread for a while]
Post edited March 12, 2016 by Tarm