Posted March 09, 2016
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Breja
You're in my spot
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From Poland
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Bad Hair Day
Find me in STEAM OT
Registered: Dec 2012
From Other
Posted March 09, 2016
BTW Prison Architect has a hidden 3D mode if anyone is interested.
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snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands
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Bad Hair Day
Find me in STEAM OT
Registered: Dec 2012
From Other
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snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands
Posted March 09, 2016
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted March 09, 2016
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He isn't exactly making it easier for us to accept him either.
Like you said it takes two to tango.
And he isn't willing to give an inch, it's his way or no way.
And if it's no way, he plays the victim card. Which then gets threads to spiral out of control.
Heck, I don't "accept" them in some sense of that word. They are likely a jerk, at least as far as enjoying the fact that a certain Supreme Court justice recently died. And a clueless or disingenuous jerk... can't really make my mind which is more likely tbh...
But you are going into actively rejecting them and trying to push them out of here. So yeah, sometimes jerks can be victims...
I think you need to reflect what exactly you are trying to achieve in relation to greene. And when you know what you want from them, of them, maybe you still should think a bit why you want that.
I'm not trying to get anyone to be friends here. F&^% that kindergarden shit. I just don't understand what is so serious and bad about what they're doing that it can't be tolerated.
And again, because the joker troll was right on the nose: if you think tolerance equals support, you are into SJW territory and have become the monster.
Now can we please stop talking about greene? Why not make this meta level again folks? It would freaking help me get the pronouns straightened out at least...
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snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted March 09, 2016
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Anyone want to let bygons be bygons and talk about gaming?
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Please no talk about gaming. In this context it's a transparent attempt to derail and dismiss the serious conversation that is required and some want to have.
Can you respect that?
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snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands
Posted March 09, 2016
okay fine ill bow out unless somebody summons me
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Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted March 09, 2016
Good points. Thanks for the effort.
Re: "I think there needs to be agreement between the people engaging to drop a point when its dead"
I think it takes only one to stop an argument - no mutual agreement required usually. Stepping aways does not mean you lost the argument, and there's nothing more comic than somone screaming at the air when their adversary is long gone to do something else. Basically sometimes moving on is the way to "win". This is I think the truth behind the expression Only way to win is not to play.
Then on the forum specifics, that's definitively getting into object level discussion. I have some thoughts on that but will keep them to myself for now.
Another point, on your conclusion about no one being obligated to be nice, and everyone having a breaking point. I think the best way to address that is for your friends to be such that they pull you back, rather than egg you on. Obviously when you go over the line the ones that made you go over the line (intentionaly or not) are the least likely to be able to deescalate you. What can be tragic though, is when people have blind loyalty, and will support their family and friends regardless of actions. My buddy threw the first punch, but instead of holding him and gettign him out of the brawl, I'll jump right in and punch his victim's buddy. Yay to me, I'm such a good friend. Or maybe I'm just reinforcing destructive behaviors and the right thing to do would be more counterintuitive? But I know it's hard to be a true friend, when the person you are helping does not see it as being helpful, rather the opposite. Tragic really.
I have a nice anecdote about a baby bird and a cowturd making that same point. Not sure you'll want to hear such folksy wisdom though. :D
Final comment. More a question really. What you said about net debates being low risk and low reward surprised me a bit. I hope you can ellaborate, because I actually see the net as high reward. Maybe it's because I am old enough to remember the days before you had the world at your fingertips, but I always felt this shit can be magic. I mean, here I am talking to someone from India, after having had a chat with someone from the Netherlands, all people with wonderfully different approaches to life, from whom I can learn something and if not change my mind, at least get to know them / the world's variety better? That's without considering how easy it is to find people with similar interests as me - in GOG for example I know I can discuss old games and DRM free philosophies whenever I want. I think those are all valuable things, and I get them at a very low cost. You see what I mean?
Re: "I think there needs to be agreement between the people engaging to drop a point when its dead"
I think it takes only one to stop an argument - no mutual agreement required usually. Stepping aways does not mean you lost the argument, and there's nothing more comic than somone screaming at the air when their adversary is long gone to do something else. Basically sometimes moving on is the way to "win". This is I think the truth behind the expression Only way to win is not to play.
Then on the forum specifics, that's definitively getting into object level discussion. I have some thoughts on that but will keep them to myself for now.
Another point, on your conclusion about no one being obligated to be nice, and everyone having a breaking point. I think the best way to address that is for your friends to be such that they pull you back, rather than egg you on. Obviously when you go over the line the ones that made you go over the line (intentionaly or not) are the least likely to be able to deescalate you. What can be tragic though, is when people have blind loyalty, and will support their family and friends regardless of actions. My buddy threw the first punch, but instead of holding him and gettign him out of the brawl, I'll jump right in and punch his victim's buddy. Yay to me, I'm such a good friend. Or maybe I'm just reinforcing destructive behaviors and the right thing to do would be more counterintuitive? But I know it's hard to be a true friend, when the person you are helping does not see it as being helpful, rather the opposite. Tragic really.
I have a nice anecdote about a baby bird and a cowturd making that same point. Not sure you'll want to hear such folksy wisdom though. :D
Final comment. More a question really. What you said about net debates being low risk and low reward surprised me a bit. I hope you can ellaborate, because I actually see the net as high reward. Maybe it's because I am old enough to remember the days before you had the world at your fingertips, but I always felt this shit can be magic. I mean, here I am talking to someone from India, after having had a chat with someone from the Netherlands, all people with wonderfully different approaches to life, from whom I can learn something and if not change my mind, at least get to know them / the world's variety better? That's without considering how easy it is to find people with similar interests as me - in GOG for example I know I can discuss old games and DRM free philosophies whenever I want. I think those are all valuable things, and I get them at a very low cost. You see what I mean?
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sunshinecorp
Ordained Dudeist
Registered: Jul 2011
From Greece
Posted March 09, 2016
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Is the OP running for president, or what?
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
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sunshinecorp
Ordained Dudeist
Registered: Jul 2011
From Greece
Posted March 09, 2016
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People have told me I should go into politics. Goes to show how little they truly know me... I'm no Cincinnatus.
But theoretically, if I was to cast a vote, no I wouldn't vote for you. You talk way too much!
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snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands