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Posted July 02, 2015
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viperfdl: Are you a penguin? I hate penguins! ;)
-_- well I hate people wearing red armor... :P
Post edited July 02, 2015 by coryrj1995
Posted July 02, 2015
Upstarts.
Posted July 02, 2015
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ScotchMonkey: Yeah nice camouflage, silencer. Way to blend in to gray walls wearing bright red ya puff :P
It's not for camouflage. It's just a pain in the ass to wash away all the damn blood...
Posted July 02, 2015
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P1na: Football
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snowkatt: standard or american ?
Americans have football now? I thought they were still playing that version of rugby with the big girly body armour?
Posted July 02, 2015
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dtgreene: People using "he" as a generic pronoun. It's as if people who go by different pronouns (particularly "she") are invisible.

Similar, people using masculine terms to refer to generic people or mixed gender groups of people.
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timppu: What is the correct way to refer to both genders? I always get tired of writing "he/she" or "him/her" everywhere, when writing in general, or not knowing the sex of the person. It feels gimmicky.

In Finnish we don't have that problem, "hän" refers to both sexes. If you feel you have to point out the gender, you can say e.g. "that woman".
Using the multiple plural. It's the historically accurate thing to do (going back to 16th century or so; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun#Singular_they). People who complain about using they to mean she or he aren't only being pedantic, they're incorrect pedants.



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dtgreene: I hate the fact that certain people hate minorities so much that they are willing to punish the majority for it. Most recent example is a donor asking for a Girl Scout donation back because said donor didn't want any of the money going for transgender girls. (Note that this backfired: the indiegogo campaign make in response (easily found by google searching #foreverygirl) has (as of this post) raised over 275% of that money.

Also, people who call people by names other than their preferred name. I've seen this happen with Caitlyn Jenner, for example. Similar issue with pronouns, as well. (Note that some people are OK with multiple names; however, some people are not.)

I hate it when people tell victims of bullying to "grow thicker skin" or worse "man up".

Edit: Also, I hate how discriminatory the Boy Scouts (USA) are. They don't allow atheists to join, and they don't allow gay adult volunteers. Forget about any possibility of a transgender boy joining.
I don't get the hate over Boy Scouts. I've never seen them being rude about it, they just have certain limits to their organization. That's OK - there's lots of organizations that do that (most, in fact). Boy Scouts aren't government related or serving the public. There's multiple competing learn-survival-skills groups, it's not like the Boy Scouts have unique arcane knowledge. If you don't like it, support some other organization and make a difference.
Post edited July 02, 2015 by Gilozard
Posted July 02, 2015
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Navagon: Americans have football now? I thought they were still playing that version of rugby with the big girly body armour?
thats what they call football
Posted July 02, 2015
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Maighstir: One isn't used to mean a specific person as far as I know, but is instead used in the same way as the generic you (one should take care of one's own trash), it is generally reserved for non-humans (the sparrow lays its eggs in...), and the generic he and she can obviously cause some misunderstanding as to whether the generic or gender-specific variant is intended.
One was used like the generic you much more in previous decades (see the Narnia Chronicles). It's gone out of style but will probably be picked back up at some point.

It's a handy way to sound less accusatory when reminding someone to do something.
Posted July 02, 2015
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Gilozard: I don't get the hate over Boy Scouts. I've never seen them being rude about it, they just have certain limits to their organization. That's OK - there's lots of organizations that do that (most, in fact). Boy Scouts aren't government related or serving the public. There's multiple competing learn-survival-skills groups, it's not like the Boy Scouts have unique arcane knowledge. If you don't like it, support some other organization and make a difference.
It's not the actual Scouts themselves that is the problem, but rather the organization.

You mention that Boy Scouts are not government related, but from what I hear, those who get Eagle Scout status get a free military promotion (if they join the military), which is a bit too much entanglement with the government. That alone is enough to make their discrimination unacceptable. (Then again, I consider such discrimination unacceptable even without this factor.) Also, I have seen Boy Scouts in a Memorial Day event that is held in a public school. That's another case of government entanglement.

Also, imagine the outcry if the Boy Scouts were an all-white organization; black boys weren't allowed to join, and neither were any other non-white people. That is essentially what we are getting here, except over different traits.

Another thing to note, what if a boy is in Boy Scouts but then realizes that he is an atheist? There have been cases where someone meets all the other requirements for being an Eagle Scout but is denied because the higher ups found out and don't like it. (The same has happened for gay scouts.)

The problem with competing groups is that they aren't really prevalant enough. There may not be any such groups in the area. Even if there are, one still needs to locate such groups. Even then, a student could be bullied in school for not being part of the "in" group, in this case Boy Scouts.

So, in conclusion, the Boy Scouts discrimination is a problem.

By the way, none of what I said applies to the far more liberal Girl Scouts, which are a separate organization.

(Then again, why separate Scouts by gender anyway? Other countries don't do that.)
Posted July 02, 2015
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snowkatt: standard or american ?
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Navagon: Americans have football now? I thought they were still playing that version of rugby with the big girly body armour?
Helmets,Armor.And don't forget the 10 second play,hehe.
Posted July 03, 2015
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dtgreene: It's not the actual Scouts themselves that is the problem, but rather the organization.........

........... (Then again, why separate Scouts by gender anyway? Other countries don't do that.)
Ironically it's the Guides not Scouts in Britain that have taken a political direction. For example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22064433
Posted July 03, 2015
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Gilozard: I don't get the hate over Boy Scouts. I've never seen them being rude about it, they just have certain limits to their organization. That's OK - there's lots of organizations that do that (most, in fact). Boy Scouts aren't government related or serving the public. There's multiple competing learn-survival-skills groups, it's not like the Boy Scouts have unique arcane knowledge. If you don't like it, support some other organization and make a difference.
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dtgreene: It's not the actual Scouts themselves that is the problem, but rather the organization.

You mention that Boy Scouts are not government related, but from what I hear, those who get Eagle Scout status get a free military promotion (if they join the military), which is a bit too much entanglement with the government. That alone is enough to make their discrimination unacceptable. (Then again, I consider such discrimination unacceptable even without this factor.) Also, I have seen Boy Scouts in a Memorial Day event that is held in a public school. That's another case of government entanglement.

Also, imagine the outcry if the Boy Scouts were an all-white organization; black boys weren't allowed to join, and neither were any other non-white people. That is essentially what we are getting here, except over different traits.

Another thing to note, what if a boy is in Boy Scouts but then realizes that he is an atheist? There have been cases where someone meets all the other requirements for being an Eagle Scout but is denied because the higher ups found out and don't like it. (The same has happened for gay scouts.)

The problem with competing groups is that they aren't really prevalant enough. There may not be any such groups in the area. Even if there are, one still needs to locate such groups. Even then, a student could be bullied in school for not being part of the "in" group, in this case Boy Scouts.

So, in conclusion, the Boy Scouts discrimination is a problem.

By the way, none of what I said applies to the far more liberal Girl Scouts, which are a separate organization.

(Then again, why separate Scouts by gender anyway? Other countries don't do that.)
Most businesses do something similar with Eagle Scouts. They've demonstrated qualities that many organizations think are worth a promotion. That doesn't mean that Boy Scouts are part of the government or part of whatever business they're in. It means that the government, like every business I've been in, wants to have Eagle Scouts.

The qualifications of becoming an Eagle Scout might be weirdly specific, but if someone stops meeting them than the organization has the right to deny it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's indisputably their right and not necessarily discrimination so long as they're upfront about it so no one is surprised. I always thought the Boy Scouts were pretty upfront, but YMMV.

If the problem is that other groups aren't prevalent enough...start a branch.

Re: Camps
Separating middle/high schoolers by gender massively reduces the headaches for organizers and attendees. It's hard to overstate how much. Everyone is less stressed out if the camps are same-sex for overnight stays at that age.

Plus, boys and girls are different, and having a balance of shared space / separate space for the genders is good for kids IME. YMMV, but I think it really helps to show kids that there's time to be stereotypical and time to not be stereotypical, and it's a lot easier for them when they don't have to worry about performing for the other gender.
Posted July 03, 2015
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Gilozard: Re: Camps
Separating middle/high schoolers by gender massively reduces the headaches for organizers and attendees. It's hard to overstate how much. Everyone is less stressed out if the camps are same-sex for overnight stays at that age.

Plus, boys and girls are different, and having a balance of shared space / separate space for the genders is good for kids IME. YMMV, but I think it really helps to show kids that there's time to be stereotypical and time to not be stereotypical, and it's a lot easier for them when they don't have to worry about performing for the other gender.
The problem is that this sort of setup doesn't work for many people. For instance, consider a case of a transgender boy in who doesn't realize he's transgender until after joining Girl Scouts. (This isn't exactly unusual; it's common for transgender people to not realize it until puberty, and some don't realize it until much later in life. Remember, Caitlyn Jenner didn't publically transition until age 65). At this point, said trans boy is uncomfortable being around girls all the time and hence uncomfortable being in Girl Scouts. At the same time, Boy Scouts won't take them.

Also, as for performing for the other gender, a transgender woman who is housed with men (or vice versa) essentially has to worry about performing for the other gender all the time. Needless to say, this is not a comfortable position to be in. (It is also an issue in college dorms.)

Furthermore, how do you handle people who have non-binary gender identities?
Posted July 03, 2015
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Gilozard: Re: Camps
Separating middle/high schoolers by gender massively reduces the headaches for organizers and attendees. It's hard to overstate how much. Everyone is less stressed out if the camps are same-sex for overnight stays at that age.

Plus, boys and girls are different, and having a balance of shared space / separate space for the genders is good for kids IME. YMMV, but I think it really helps to show kids that there's time to be stereotypical and time to not be stereotypical, and it's a lot easier for them when they don't have to worry about performing for the other gender.
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dtgreene: The problem is that this sort of setup doesn't work for many people. For instance, consider a case of a transgender boy in who doesn't realize he's transgender until after joining Girl Scouts. (This isn't exactly unusual; it's common for transgender people to not realize it until puberty, and some don't realize it until much later in life. Remember, Caitlyn Jenner didn't publically transition until age 65). At this point, said trans boy is uncomfortable being around girls all the time and hence uncomfortable being in Girl Scouts. At the same time, Boy Scouts won't take them.

Also, as for performing for the other gender, a transgender woman who is housed with men (or vice versa) essentially has to worry about performing for the other gender all the time. Needless to say, this is not a comfortable position to be in. (It is also an issue in college dorms.)

Furthermore, how do you handle people who have non-binary gender identities?
Same as you handle anyone else with serious identity issues or obsessions with identity culture... medication and a consultation with a mental health specialist.
Posted July 03, 2015
Living in the same century as Emob78.
Posted July 03, 2015
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Telika: Living in the same century as Emob78.
Show me the way to the nearest time machine and I'd gladly travel back to a time when there were no non-binary, transinsectoid other-kin.
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