Depending on the specifications, replacing the HDD with an SSD might seriously speed up your laptop.
And why not get a standalone DVD player for your TV?

and how do they use the laptop , just plug it into a docker and use external keyboard mouse monitor?

Sure, I get that laptops are much more restricted than tower PCs, but that was not the point of the post. The point was that I don't get why people pretend non-gaming laptops only play games up to the mid-2000s.

I used an i5 with 8gb ram and an intel hd620, and it would run stuff like MGS5, FF13, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dying Light, etc. Integrated graphics got pretty powerful by now, although you reach your limited somewhere in the 2015 range.

at what fps?

It's not that hard to understand: different people have different requirements. What "runs fine" for you will move to my backlog until I have better hardware, so I can run the games the way *I* want (=high graphics settings, 1440P, etc.).

if it is ~20fps on minimum graph settings it is not acceptable at all for me
wonder what are his numbers , probably below our acceptance level

I'd recommend anyone trying to do some modern stuff that are looking at games supporting Ray-Tracing to go at least for a RTX 2060.

So, that would be any of these guys basically:
RTX 2000 series -> RTX 2060, 2070 or 2080;
RTX 3000 series -> RTX 3060, 3070, or 3080.

Some games w/ RTX include these - Cyberpunk 2077, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Minecraft RTX, Quake 2 RTX, Battlefield 5, Control, Watch Dogs: Legion, COD WarZone, COD MW (Reboot), COD BO Cold War, The Medium, and that upcoming Metro Exodus RTX Version.

Big list here on Youtube, which keeps growing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_ray_tracing_support

I'm not a stickler for framerate. While 20fps is probably a bit low for many games - it can be fine for some other games (turn based games e.g.). Sometimes a very stable 30 fps can play very smoothly (for me anyway) - e.g. The Force Unleashed games.
I'm not going for anything atm, not until prices come down again (and availability is better). But ok, I'm talking about desktop cards here.

I'm certainly a framerate guy.

Sure, 30fps is passable, if the game just can't do better properly out-the-box - i.e. Dark Souls PTD.

Action games, racing games, shooters, brawlers - anything fast-paced - these just do way better at 60fps for a bare minimum.

Also, Dark Souls Remastered is just much better at 60fps, performance-wise. It's just smoother, especially if you take hits. Much nicer for more demanding places like Blighttown.

Anyways, I certainly prefer 100-200fps in certain games. Surely, a fast-paced action game like GR: Wildlands and RAGE 2 - both which have tons of effects, open-world, and whatnot going...just play better with higher framerates and G-Sync.

It's like a dream, if you have both G-Sync and high-frames, as even with crazy high framerates - it can be only noticeable you got knocked back from say 120fps to 90fps...just by watching your framerate in the upper-right hand corner when running MSI Afterburner. It's just so butter smooth w/ no screen-tearing and most importantly no input lag, that I don't even know where to begin. It's something one has to experience for themselves, to understand. I used to think I would never need more than 60fps in these type of games, until I experienced it for myself properly.

Now...it's like I've been spoiled and there's no turning back.

I don't think it matters too much, whether you're doing laptop or desktop here. They're both similar.

Mind you, laptops cards in the 3000 series aren't as close as their desktop brethren were to each other in the last two generations (1000 series and 2000 series).

If you're going w/ a laptop though, especially on the 3000 series, since Wattage does matter - not all 3070's (or above) are equal, if you get saddled w/ low-wattage...since Nvidia does not force the Max-P or Max-Q tag anymore.

I never measured it, but I'd say 30+ at 720p for most games I played. Settings very much depend on the game since performance widely differs.

Often something like medium settings, low shadows works fine. Again, I'm not saying this because I recommend it as a gaming set up, but if that is what you got, you still have some options. Especially lowering the resolution gives you a lot of wiggle room.

Here is a clip of Wolfenstein - The New Order on an IntelHD620 for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYrX69mVt7A

However, if you say 1440p and high settings is my minimum then you won't get far of course.

I can't say that I have experience with +60Hz/fps... but the thing is: I don't care much for "fast paced" games/action. V-sync works fine for me, because I don't notice this input lag thing. I do play 3D action/adventures, but always in my own relaxed way.

It's no issue for me. I haves A LOT of games, yet to play, that can do 1440P/(very)high(/ultra)/60fps on my modest GTX970. I don't want the "lesser experience" if all I have to do is... wait (= just play somewhat older games).

DOOM 2016 (and newer - ain't played DOOM Eternal yet)) and the Alternative World Wolfenstein titles (Wolf: TNO, Wolf 2 TNC, Wolfenstein YB) are the kind of shooters I'd want at 1080p60fps or better. These awesome fast-paced games just play, run, and feel so good at higher framerates with their awesome & intense combat.
The thing is: there are some games like Fallout 4 where V-Sync can really be a problem, as it's causing tons of input lag. Frametime was never good in that engine. And that was in an era, where for some reason, Bethesda forced V-Sync On.

There is no option to disable that, unless you play w/ the .INI configuration files.

Since most stuff in Bethesda's Creation Engine (FO3, FO NV, FO4, Skyrim, etc) don't really like going over 60fps and b/c of physics problem if you unlock the V-Sync - if you disable V-Sync to end the input lag, then you also need to cap the game to either 30fps or 60fps - or the physics can go out the window....and enemies into space to God knows where.

Gaming laptop.

That's an oxymoron.

clearly show you are just trolling