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Posted September 29, 2018
I just took this screenshot, 3:34 EST, 9/29/18.
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Posted September 29, 2018
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Lucumo: It's not the public domain. Forums usually have TOS like this one:

"By registering an account at X and participating (including but not limited to submitting posts or private messages on X), you hereby grant X and our licensees, distributors, agents, representatives and other authorized users, a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, fully-paid, royalty-free, sub-licensable and transferable (in whole or part) worldwide license under all copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, privacy and publicity rights and other intellectual property rights you own or control to use, reproduce, transmit, display, exhibit, distribute, index, comment on, modify, create derivative works based upon, perform and otherwise exploit the messages posted or private messages sent on X, in whole or in part, in all media formats and channels now known or hereafter devised, for any and all purposes including entertainment, news, advertising, promotional, marketing, publicity, trade or commercial purposes, all without further notice to you, with or without attribution, and without the requirement of any permission from or payment to you or to any other person or entity."
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richlind33: Of course, but "non-exclusive", I would think, means that data is no longer private.
Absolutely. Like I said earlier, when you press that "post" button, whatever you wrote pretty much belongs to the people providing that forum. You can still edit and delete it (although some forum software allows you to view the previous state IIRC) but people rarely do that.
That's why there are instances, for example, where the forum administrator of THE DotA forum took it down to advertise LoL, all the while taking the ideas of users for heroes and modelling LoL heroes after that.
Posted September 29, 2018
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richlind33: How can something be "freely submitted", and at the same time, "collected"?
I'd refer you to your postal service.
Posted September 30, 2018
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richlind33: Of course, but "non-exclusive", I would think, means that data is no longer private.
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Lucumo: Absolutely. Like I said earlier, when you press that "post" button, whatever you wrote pretty much belongs to the people providing that forum. You can still edit and delete it (although some forum software allows you to view the previous state IIRC) but people rarely do that.
That's why there are instances, for example, where the forum administrator of THE DotA forum took it down to advertise LoL, all the while taking the ideas of users for heroes and modelling LoL heroes after that.
Right, but *not exclusively*, so I would think that you or I would be perfectly within our rights to repost someone else's post, somewhere else on the internet, and that is what I mean by "public domain".
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I should add that the reason I think this is significant is this: if I post my PI on a forum that doesn't consider such a post to be unaccaptable, and someone then reposts it somewhere else, have my rights been breached?

What I learned back in 1992 was that once your PI is "out there", it's "out there", meaning you can't be "doxxed" re PI that you yourself have publicly disclosed, so it's always important to be careful about what you say or divulge.

So, my answer to that question is no.

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richlind33: How can something be "freely submitted", and at the same time, "collected"?
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wpegg: I'd refer you to your postal service.
Is a mailbox legally indistinguishable from an internet forum?
Post edited September 30, 2018 by richlind33
Posted September 30, 2018
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hedwards: The EU likes to think that they can do things like that, but it would be chaos if we started to allow one nation or region to write laws that were applicable to people with no ties to the region.
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Lucumo: There are ties though. As wpegg has stated, GDPR does protect EU citizens so even if it's a US (or whatever) company, it has to comply because it is doing business in the EU.

As for the enforceability...I would certainly love to see a case about this, or better two, one company with a commercial interest and one without.
That's not how international law works. There's numerous laws on the books in various countries that can't function properly because they would require parties operating outside of their jurisdiction to participate.

That's all I'm going to say about that as I can't see how this can go anywhere. Either you accept the fact that a government cannot create laws that oblige foreign parties or you don't. But given the relatively large number of laws that don't apply across borders, I'm somewhat unclear as to why anybody is arguing with me.

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Linko90: So i'm gonna post a quick reminder here that political threads/posts are not allowed. Discuss GDPR all you wish in connection to the topic, but turning the topic to conversations about the EU will result in posts being deleted, or heavily edited. If posts of this type repeats, the thread will be locked.
Fair enough, although this probably makes more sense to individuals in the EU.
Post edited September 30, 2018 by hedwards
Posted September 30, 2018
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tinyE: I just took this screenshot, 3:34 EST, 9/29/18.
i saw her online when i posted last time not sure whats going on
Posted September 30, 2018
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Lucumo: Absolutely. Like I said earlier, when you press that "post" button, whatever you wrote pretty much belongs to the people providing that forum. You can still edit and delete it (although some forum software allows you to view the previous state IIRC) but people rarely do that.
That's why there are instances, for example, where the forum administrator of THE DotA forum took it down to advertise LoL, all the while taking the ideas of users for heroes and modelling LoL heroes after that.
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richlind33: Right, but *not exclusively*, so I would think that you or I would be perfectly within our rights to repost someone else's post, somewhere else on the internet, and that is what I mean by "public domain".
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I should add that the reason I think this is significant is this: if I post my PI on a forum that doesn't consider such a post to be unaccaptable, and someone then reposts it somewhere else, have my rights been breached?

What I learned back in 1992 was that once your PI is "out there", it's "out there", meaning you can't be "doxxed" re PI that you yourself have publicly disclosed, so it's always important to be careful about what you say or divulge.

So, my answer to that question is no.
Hm...I would say that it is technically not allowed since you aren't giving other users any rights to whatever you have posted. Still, at that point comes enforceability into play and who will bother with some small stuff where someone copied your post without disclosing that it was from you?

"If it's out there, it is out there." That is practically correct. I'm still rather sure, though, that you can contact the relevant administrator(s) and they will take that post down.

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Lucumo: There are ties though. As wpegg has stated, GDPR does protect EU citizens so even if it's a US (or whatever) company, it has to comply because it is doing business in the EU.

As for the enforceability...I would certainly love to see a case about this, or better two, one company with a commercial interest and one without.
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hedwards: That's not how international law works. There's numerous laws on the books in various countries that can't function properly because they would require parties operating outside of their jurisdiction to participate.

That's all I'm going to say about that as I can't see how this can go anywhere. Either you accept the fact that a government cannot create laws that oblige foreign parties or you don't. But given the relatively large number of laws that don't apply across borders, I'm somewhat unclear as to why anybody is arguing with me.
The EU isn't exactly a small body and like I said, before we see proper cases about this, I wouldn't want to say anything definitive. We have seen enough American websites that have complied with what GDPR demands for the EU users as well as enough websites that have in some way reacted to this (by making itself inaccessible to EU users for instance).
Posted October 01, 2018
It seems the topic has come to a conclusion. Who knows if Fairfox will return, all we can do is wish them the best until then!

As such, i'll be locking the topic. Thank you for staying civil towards each other, hopefully, this thread served as a spotlight to how we type and interact with others and the impact of those actions on people.
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