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A shitposter leaves and people are losing their minds over it. Fascinating.
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liquidsnakehpks: Its amazing that gog allowed her to nuke the history , so when she comes back its going to be a clean sheet ? Whats not stopping others with bad rep doing the same ?

What the hell ? is she manually editing her posts ?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/x_or_y_gamie/post118
Speaking on behalf of all the people annoyed with her posting style, I don't see a problem with that. I don't see many people that hate her personally, I do see plenty of people that are annoyed by the posting style and want it to stop.

If she comes back and doesn't do the same shit posting with terrible spelling and grammar, I think most people will probably forget pretty quickly.

This is in spite of the concerted effort to recast this as a lynch mob trying to chase her out of the fora.

As for the posts, I don't think she's doing that. I think they probably have some sort of a script that does that. Or at least I hope they do because with GPDR requirements, this won't be the last time somebody demands it.

Although, I'm not sure if it's strictly speaking necessary unless there's information related to the law. Deleting it all is probably just easier than sifting through the posts to see what is and isn't required to be removed.
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wpegg: It's an interesting question, I don't think it has been tested yet, so we don't know how it would apply. Wikipedia quotes GDPR as :
According to the European Commission, "personal data is any information relating to an individual, whether it relates to his or her private, professional or public life. It can be anything from a name, a home address, a photo, an email address, bank details, posts on social networking websites, medical information, or a computer's IP address."[4] The precise definitions of terms such as "personal data", "processing", "data subject", "controller" and "processor", are stated in Article 4 of the Regulation[5].

The question from that is whether GOG forums constitute "posts on social networking". It also raises the question that, given her unique writing style, are fairfox's posts uniquely identifiable in themselves? I don't think it really matters if you own the content, more whether or not you're able to be uniquely identified and associated with the content. So in most cases simply obfuscating the poster, as has been done here, should be considered sufficient, except we all still know who the poster is, because there's a thread saying "user_deleted" is Fairfox.
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Lucumo: Yep, that's definitely the crux here. Personally, I would draw the line between traditional forums and "social websites" which actually have social features or are focused on social features. Nevertheless, I can see arguments being made that consider any forums "social networking websites".
And yes, in this specific case it's clear who the deleted user was. The law wouldn't account for it, from what I would think. So it would depend on what the specific website does and what possibilities it actually has (of deleting data - a lot of forums haven't bothered with GDPR at all and are currently unable to comply). In the end, though, we will have to wait for actual rulings to get a better picture of the whole issue.
Yes and strictly speaking, if I were to have grabbed all those posts and posted them in the US, the GDPR doesn't apply to companies that are not located in the EU or have a presence. They could try to sue me over here in America, but it's not legal here and the regulation is likely to violate our 1st amendment. And as a result, they would have a massively hard time trying to enforce it.

Not that I did that mind you, even if I wanted to, I would have had to have done that before the posts were deleted.
Post edited September 29, 2018 by hedwards
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CARRiON-XCII: A shitposter leaves and people are losing their minds over it. Fascinating.
Some of us didn't find her posts to be shitposts. Shocker here, but you don't get to decide what content I enjoy on the internets.
Watched a tear-jerker last night that has a happy ending. Very inspirational, so I thought I'd share it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VQmYUg2Pp8
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hedwards: Yes and strictly speaking, if I were to have grabbed all those posts and posted them in the US, the GDPR doesn't apply to companies that are not located in the EU or have a presence. They could try to sue me over here in America, but it's not legal here and the regulation is likely to violate our 1st amendment. And as a result, they would have a massively hard time trying to enforce it.

Not that I did that mind you, even if I wanted to, I would have had to have done that before the posts were deleted.
This isn't true I'm afraid. GDPR applies to any company that collects data on an EU citizen, regardless of the location of the servers or the company (https://revisionlegal.com/data-breach/eu-data-protection-gdpr-law/). You're probably suggesting it's not enforceable through a US court, but if so (and that's not been tested) that just means you're safe in the US, you're still going to be in violation of the law, and have a case outsanding against you. Travel to the EU and they can act, or try to start a business with any EU involvement. They could even try to extradite you, but they probably wouldn't bother. It's a very wide ranging law, and its enforceability in the US may well be proved more effective than you realise.
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CARRiON-XCII: A shitposter leaves and people are losing their minds over it. Fascinating.
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paladin181: Some of us didn't find her posts to be shitposts. Shocker here, but you don't get to decide what content I enjoy on the internets.
Shocker here, I don't give a fuck what "content" you enjoy on the internet. I'll call it how I see it.
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hedwards: Yes and strictly speaking, if I were to have grabbed all those posts and posted them in the US, the GDPR doesn't apply to companies that are not located in the EU or have a presence. They could try to sue me over here in America, but it's not legal here and the regulation is likely to violate our 1st amendment. And as a result, they would have a massively hard time trying to enforce it.

Not that I did that mind you, even if I wanted to, I would have had to have done that before the posts were deleted.
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wpegg: This isn't true I'm afraid. GDPR applies to any company that collects data on an EU citizen, regardless of the location of the servers or the company (https://revisionlegal.com/data-breach/eu-data-protection-gdpr-law/). You're probably suggesting it's not enforceable through a US court, but if so (and that's not been tested) that just means you're safe in the US, you're still going to be in violation of the law, and have a case outsanding against you. Travel to the EU and they can act, or try to start a business with any EU involvement. They could even try to extradite you, but they probably wouldn't bother. It's a very wide ranging law, and its enforceability in the US may well be proved more effective than you realise.
Enforceability is what leads this to be somewhat moot as it's uncommon for courts without jurisdiction to deal with the matter as there's no point.

This is overreach. They can't do that without a treaty authorizing it. In order to try war crimes in the Netherlands there had to be a treaty agreeing to allow that. Shamefully the US hasn't ratified the treaty, which is why nobody from the US is likely to be tried unless arrested in a country that's a party to the treaty. This is despite most or all of those countries having their own laws that ban such crimes against humanity.

The US does prosecute our own citizens for bribing and corrupting foreign officials, but those are our citizens, not foreign ones.

The EU likes to think that they can do things like that, but it would be chaos if we started to allow one nation or region to write laws that were applicable to people with no ties to the region.

That being said, I wouldn't put it past the EU to abuse the process to apply it to people for whom the law is not legally binding and I wouldn't personally recommend ignoring it for folks who are planning on having dealings with the EU in the future, but they lack any legal basis for forcing non-EU businesses and individuals to comply with the regulation.

Or, in other words, they have the same legal standing that the Thai government has to insist that individuals outside of Thailand disrespect their king. That law, like the GDPR is not legally binding outside the government that past it.

EDIT: And BTW, the GDPR violates our 1st amendment, so no, they can't enforce it in the US. It has similar legal standing to those stupid super-injunctions that courts in the UK are so fond of.
Post edited September 29, 2018 by hedwards
So i'm gonna post a quick reminder here that political threads/posts are not allowed. Discuss GDPR all you wish in connection to the topic, but turning the topic to conversations about the EU will result in posts being deleted, or heavily edited. If posts of this type repeats, the thread will be locked.
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Linko90: So i'm gonna post a quick reminder here that political threads/posts are not allowed. Discuss GDPR all you wish in connection to the topic, but turning the topic to conversations about the EU will result in posts being deleted, or heavily edited. If posts of this type repeats, the thread will be locked.
Apologies, I understand and agree that our conversation strayed a little bit too far into more general politics. It was not intentionally politicising this thread.
Post edited September 29, 2018 by wpegg
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Linko90: So i'm gonna post a quick reminder here that political threads/posts are not allowed. Discuss GDPR all you wish in connection to the topic, but turning the topic to conversations about the EU will result in posts being deleted, or heavily edited. If posts of this type repeats, the thread will be locked.
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wpegg: Apologies, I understand and agree that our conversation strayed a little bit too far into more general politics. It was not intentionally politicising this thread.
It's fine, just as long as it doesn't keep going in that direction :)
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Lucumo: Pretty sure the content isn't yours anymore after you press that "post" button. (I think) GDPR would require the people in power to delete your personally identifiable information which means email, nickname, IP addresses of posts and other such things. So what could remain would be a placeholder called "guest" or something for these posts. Other forums handled it like that way before GDPR was ever a thing.
That's the crux of it, IMO, because you've published it in the public domain. You probably should be able to make claims re *specific* data, but in toto?
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richlind33: That's the crux of it, IMO, because you've published it in the public domain. You probably should be able to make claims re *specific* data, but in toto?
There's no such thing as "the public domain", you've published it via GOG.com's servers & hosting. It's then their responsiblity to manage that data. With regards to being able to request specific data removal vs in toto, you can definitely request total removal of your information, it's one of the least ambiguous parts of the legislation. If anything it's more complicated as to whether you can cherry pick which pieces of information are removed, as this could allow you to skew the presentation of you to a misleading image. imagine if you could choose which GOG posts of yours hung around just before going to a job in public office, you could remove all the bad bits and paint yourself any way you like with the context of the remainder.
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hedwards: The EU likes to think that they can do things like that, but it would be chaos if we started to allow one nation or region to write laws that were applicable to people with no ties to the region.
There are ties though. As wpegg has stated, GDPR does protect EU citizens so even if it's a US (or whatever) company, it has to comply because it is doing business in the EU.

As for the enforceability...I would certainly love to see a case about this, or better two, one company with a commercial interest and one without.

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Lucumo: Pretty sure the content isn't yours anymore after you press that "post" button. (I think) GDPR would require the people in power to delete your personally identifiable information which means email, nickname, IP addresses of posts and other such things. So what could remain would be a placeholder called "guest" or something for these posts. Other forums handled it like that way before GDPR was ever a thing.
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richlind33: That's the crux of it, IMO, because you've published it in the public domain. You probably should be able to make claims re *specific* data, but in toto?
It's not the public domain. Forums usually have TOS like this one:

"By registering an account at X and participating (including but not limited to submitting posts or private messages on X), you hereby grant X and our licensees, distributors, agents, representatives and other authorized users, a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, fully-paid, royalty-free, sub-licensable and transferable (in whole or part) worldwide license under all copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, privacy and publicity rights and other intellectual property rights you own or control to use, reproduce, transmit, display, exhibit, distribute, index, comment on, modify, create derivative works based upon, perform and otherwise exploit the messages posted or private messages sent on X, in whole or in part, in all media formats and channels now known or hereafter devised, for any and all purposes including entertainment, news, advertising, promotional, marketing, publicity, trade or commercial purposes, all without further notice to you, with or without attribution, and without the requirement of any permission from or payment to you or to any other person or entity."
Post edited September 29, 2018 by Lucumo
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richlind33: That's the crux of it, IMO, because you've published it in the public domain. You probably should be able to make claims re *specific* data, but in toto?
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Lucumo: It's not the public domain. Forums usually have TOS like this one:

"By registering an account at X and participating (including but not limited to submitting posts or private messages on X), you hereby grant X and our licensees, distributors, agents, representatives and other authorized users, a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, fully-paid, royalty-free, sub-licensable and transferable (in whole or part) worldwide license under all copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, privacy and publicity rights and other intellectual property rights you own or control to use, reproduce, transmit, display, exhibit, distribute, index, comment on, modify, create derivative works based upon, perform and otherwise exploit the messages posted or private messages sent on X, in whole or in part, in all media formats and channels now known or hereafter devised, for any and all purposes including entertainment, news, advertising, promotional, marketing, publicity, trade or commercial purposes, all without further notice to you, with or without attribution, and without the requirement of any permission from or payment to you or to any other person or entity."
Of course, but "non-exclusive", I would think, means that data is no longer private.
Post edited September 29, 2018 by richlind33
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richlind33: That's the crux of it, IMO, because you've published it in the public domain. You probably should be able to make claims re *specific* data, but in toto?
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wpegg: There's no such thing as "the public domain", you've published it via GOG.com's servers & hosting. It's then their responsiblity to manage that data. With regards to being able to request specific data removal vs in toto, you can definitely request total removal of your information, it's one of the least ambiguous parts of the legislation. If anything it's more complicated as to whether you can cherry pick which pieces of information are removed, as this could allow you to skew the presentation of you to a misleading image. imagine if you could choose which GOG posts of yours hung around just before going to a job in public office, you could remove all the bad bits and paint yourself any way you like with the context of the remainder.
How can something be "freely submitted", and at the same time, "collected"?