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toxicTom: Seems she really was an important part of this little world here, one way or another.
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Telika: Actually not really. I liked her games topics, and some of her opinions, and didn't like others (at all).

But an important part of my little world is how people react to harmless atypical traits. This is something I'm sensitive to, on many matters - racism, homophobia, and the most mundane things. The objects of in-group out-group identities and validations, their mechanisms, at any subcultural levels. In this case I find fascinating how it transcends the traditional identity oppositions (left/right markers) by revolving around a trait that isn't on the predefined list of what progressives and conservatives are already "supposed" to reject or accept. So it illustrates a behaviour common to a certain kind of person throughout all accidental ideological identities.

It's a bit like the taste for physical violence, that is quenched by those who require it whichever their ideology - they always find a rationalisation for self-righteous beatings of vandalism. It's a more profound identity than the conscious ones - the conscious ones are just the wrapping.

You know people from their acts and attitudes outside of their predefined, stereotyped, list of stimuli/responses. Outside of their training. In front of what their peers didn't already label as good and bad. It reveals something below their supeficial discourses and self-perceptions, something about a deep love for uniformity itself. One has learnt that it is bad to exclude a black or an homosexual because it's not a valid reason to. Throw someone with a green antenna or a blinking nose at them, and watch their reflexes. And their rationalizations. "Oh that antenna would have scratched by ceiling anyway probably maybe, ah I cannot concentrate with that blinking nose, go back to where you belong".

Crowds. It's really less about Fairfox than about gogers and their hypocrisies. About humans and their thirst for righteous, rationalized, self-validating, exclusions. "Oh noes her writing was really ruining the forums we were suffering so much it was immoral of her...".

I liked Fairfox's threads about gameplay (and I do enjoy mild, harmless eccentricity in general). But I despise those forumers more than I like her. She's just interestingly revealing of their mentality.

A mentality that she shares when it comes to fat people. Just like some other forumers, previously ostracized for their own harmless quirks, share this mentality when it comes to hers.
Rejecting the abnormal is a human survival trait. What isn't commonplace is generally dangerous. Or so says our lizard brains. And it was true in the past. Don't eat berries that are unfamiliar, or approach animals that are unfamiliar, or go around people who are unfamiliar. Those things were deadly to you and your tribe when people were a bit less civilized overall. It's natural instinct. Not hypocrisy.
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fronzelneekburm: Woah, what the hell...

Her entire posting history is wiped. All of her posts say "deleted".

Actually, I would like a mod (or someone in touch with Fairfox) to clarify what exactly is going on. I figured she was "having a break", as one of the mods put it earlier. All of her posts getting nuked is pretty hardcore for "having a break"...
A break may well be to her advantage. I wish her well and hope she finds help for whatever is ailing her.
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paladin181: Rejecting the abnormal is a human survival trait. What isn't commonplace is generally dangerous. Or so says our lizard brains. And it was true in the past. Don't eat berries that are unfamiliar, or approach animals that are unfamiliar, or go around people who are unfamiliar. Those things were deadly to you and your tribe when people were a bit less civilized overall. It's natural instinct. Not hypocrisy.
We're not lizards anymore. We're supposed to have developed a higher cognition. But when we try to pass such reflexes as rational (when they are about really harmless stuff, but we don't feel like disarming that gut feeling, when we just see an opportunity to indulge in it) then it is hypocrisy.
Post edited September 29, 2018 by Telika
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Telika: We're not lizards anymore. We're supposed to have developed a higher cognition. But when we try to pass such reflexes as rational (when they are about really harmless stuff, but we don't feel like disarming that gut feeling) then it is hypocrisy.
Sure.
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Telika: We're not lizards anymore. We're supposed to have developed a higher cognition. But when we try to pass such reflexes as rational (when they are about really harmless stuff, but we don't feel like disarming that gut feeling, when we just see an opportunity to indulge in it) then it is hypocrisy.
Totally OT, but were we ever? I thought it had been established that we followed an entirely separate evolutionary path?
Post edited September 29, 2018 by wpegg
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paladin181:
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Telika: We're not lizards anymore.
Speak for yourself.
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paladin181: Rejecting the abnormal is a human survival trait. What isn't commonplace is generally dangerous. Or so says our lizard brains. And it was true in the past. Don't eat berries that are unfamiliar, or approach animals that are unfamiliar, or go around people who are unfamiliar. Those things were deadly to you and your tribe when people were a bit less civilized overall. It's natural instinct. Not hypocrisy.
OK, define "perfection".
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Telika: We're not lizards anymore. We're supposed to have developed a higher cognition. But when we try to pass such reflexes as rational (when they are about really harmless stuff, but we don't feel like disarming that gut feeling, when we just see an opportunity to indulge in it) then it is hypocrisy.
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wpegg: Totally OP, but were we ever? I thought it had been established that we followed an entirely separate evolutionary path?
I follow a weird reincarnation cycle.
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Telika: Actually not really. I liked her games topics, and some of her opinions, and didn't like others (at all).
As I wrote above I didn't agree with her in many things before she went all "Fairfoxish" and "gamies". I loathed many of her opinions. On the other hand she went much more tentative at the same time she started talking "Fairfoxish". I think, personal tragedy hit...
It made her a "forum original" in a way - and this thread proves it.

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Telika: But an important part of my little world is how people react to harmless atypical traits. This is something I'm sensitive to, on many matters - racism, homophobia, and the most mundane things. The objects of in-group out-group identities and validations, their mechanisms, at any subcultural levels. In this case I find fascinating how it transcends the traditional identity oppositions (left/right markers) by revolving around a trait that isn't on the predefined list of what progressives and conservatives are already "supposed" to reject or accept. So it illustrates a behaviour common to a certain kind of person throughout all accidental ideological identities.

It's a bit like the taste for physical violence, that is quenched by those who require it whichever their ideology - they always find a rationalisation for self-righteous beatings of vandalism. It's a more profound identity than the conscious ones - the conscious ones are just the wrapping.

You know people from their acts and attitudes outside of their predefined, stereotyped, list of stimuli/responses. Outside of their training. In front of what their peers didn't already label as good and bad. It reveals something below their supeficial discourses and self-perceptions, something about a deep love for uniformity itself. One has learnt that it is bad to exclude a black or an homosexual because it's not a valid reason to. Throw someone with a green antenna or a blinking nose at them, and watch their reflexes. And their rationalizations. "Oh that antenna would have scratched by ceiling anyway probably maybe, ah I cannot concentrate with that blinking nose, go back to where you belong".

Crowds. It's really less about Fairfox than about gogers and their hypocrisies. About humans and their thirst for righteous, rationalized, self-validating, exclusions. "Oh noes her writing was really ruining the forums we were suffering so much it was immoral of her...".

I liked Fairfox's threads about gameplay (and I do enjoy mild, harmless eccentricity in general). But I despise those forumers more than I like her. She's just interestingly revealing of their mentality.

A mentality that she shares when it comes to fat people. Just like some other forumers, previously ostracized for their own harmless quirks, share this mentality when it comes to hers.
I agree very much with you here.We're all prone to overlook the beam in our eyes...
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Starmaker: What a thread! Disliking shitty posts is now literal murder, the top self-appointed moral guardian is Mr. Rape-Is-Actually-Good, and everyone who disagrees with him is a "cunt".

Nice.
I barely understood any of these references, but I'm surprised you didn't mention any bodily functions. I guess that's an improvement?
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Telika: We're not lizards anymore. We're supposed to have developed a higher cognition...
Hedonism requires indulgence, not higher cognition.
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MarkoH01: Sorry.
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FlockeSchnee: For what? How were you supposed to know? The "girly" seeming username? You don't know why I choose that. Could have been any reason even as a "he". What I am trying to say: It is all perfectly fine. And I just noticed, I assumed you are a "he". Glad, you don't seem offended by that either.
Of course, this issue could be solved if users here would follow my example and put their pronouns in their forum title.

(There's still the problem of getting people to actually *read* the forum title, but this way other users at least have a *chance* of reading it and using the correct pronouns.)

Edit: "actually" is not spelt with a semicolon; "actuall;y" is not a word. Oops!
Post edited September 29, 2018 by dtgreene
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FlockeSchnee: For what? How were you supposed to know? The "girly" seeming username? You don't know why I choose that. Could have been any reason even as a "he". What I am trying to say: It is all perfectly fine. And I just noticed, I assumed you are a "he". Glad, you don't seem offended by that either.
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dtgreene: Of course, this issue could be solved if users here would follow my example and put their pronouns in their forum title.

(There's still the problem of getting people to actuall;y *read* the forum title, but this way other users at least have a *chance* of reading it and using the correct pronouns.)
I guess I should make mine "insufferable ban(she)e" then. :P
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fronzelneekburm: Actually, I would like a mod (or someone in touch with Fairfox) to clarify what exactly is going on. I figured she was "having a break", as one of the mods put it earlier. All of her posts getting nuked is pretty hardcore for "having a break"...
Yes, please, mods.
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dtgreene: Of course, this issue could be solved if users here would follow my example and put their pronouns in their forum title.

(There's still the problem of getting people to actuall;y *read* the forum title, but this way other users at least have a *chance* of reading it and using the correct pronouns.)
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PoppyAppletree: I guess I should make mine "insufferable ban(she)e" then. :P
Go for it!

(And I just notices a stray semicolon in my post. Time to fix it!)