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About Windows 10 built-in spyware, I'm found a curious thing today, with ALL the tracking options turned off, I'm opened the store app, and since one uninstalled app isn't showed in my library list (appear to be a bug), I'm make a search in Firefox with google to see if the app is removed from the store. When I opened the page of the app in the browser, the store app also opened the app page by itself, so this leads to that even with ALL the tracking option disabled, MS is spying what we browse even in third party browsers.
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DalekSec: so this leads to that even with ALL the tracking option disabled, MS is spying what we browse even in third party browsers.
Or it could be the page sending an "ms-windows-store://pdp/?productid=########\u0026referrer=unistoreweb" protocol request, similar to the irc:// or the gogdownloader:// one, that the store app is parsing. Did you try it with noscript on, or by disabling said protocol?

Edit: there is also a zune:// protocol sent as well, in case you have an application that would parse zune:// links.
Post edited September 30, 2015 by JMich
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siddham: I will be going with Win 7 OEM for my new build. As far as I know it comes with free update to Win 10.
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JMich: 1) Free update is valid until end of July 2016.
2) Free update was valid for systems activated before July 2015, from what I recall. Tell me if you want me to go look for said post, which I may not be able to find.

Feel free to get whatever works for you, I just find that a Win10 license provides access to 3 OS versions for 5+ years, while a Win7 license provides access to 1 or 2 versions.
FYI, I was able to do a clean install of Windows 7 on an older laptop (for which I bought a new SSD drive) and activate it. I installed Windows 10 (for which I created installation media on USB) and it installed and was activated. So it seems that as long as you have a currently activated system, you can upgrade.
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DalekSec: so this leads to that even with ALL the tracking option disabled, MS is spying what we browse even in third party browsers.
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JMich: Or it could be the page sending an "ms-windows-store://pdp/?productid=########\u0026referrer=unistoreweb" protocol request, similar to the irc:// or the gogdownloader:// one, that the store app is parsing. Did you try it with noscript on, or by disabling said protocol?

Edit: there is also a zune:// protocol sent as well, in case you have an application that would parse zune:// links.
This have logic (about gog downloader, I'm never use it). The sad part is that is waiting to this protocol even in the background, opening the store app when you open the page in the browser. I'm not have anything against opening the store app if I click over "get app", but opening it only by open the app page in the browser is a little intrusive.

I'm hope that this is a bug in the store page an not a feature, and that MS solve it.
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DalekSec: I'm hope that this is a bug in the store page an not a feature, and that MS solve it.
It's not a bug. Only way to install a store app is through the store, so if you visit the page through other means, it will open the store for you (assuming your device does have the store).
I have found how to change it so that Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge will ask for permission before opening the store (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ProtocolExecute\ms-windows-store), and for Firefox it's the "network.protocol-handler.warn-external.ms-windows-store" key in about:config. Set it to true to be asked if you want to open the store or not.
Unsure where Chrome keeps that setting.
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JMich: It's not a bug. Only way to install a store app is through the store, so if you visit the page through other means, it will open the store for you (assuming your device does have the store).
I have found how to change it so that Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge will ask for permission before opening the store (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ProtocolExecute\ms-windows-store), and for Firefox it's the "network.protocol-handler.warn-external.ms-windows-store" key in about:config. Set it to true to be asked if you want to open the store or not.
Unsure where Chrome keeps that setting.
I'm know that the only way to install and RT app is through store, but when you visit the store page through a browser, it have a big "get app" button, so the normal is that the store app only opens when you click this button, and not by simply opening the page.

Anyway, thanks for try helping.
So, my conclusion after a month of use is that it is a fucking mess.

The start menu is fundamentally broken - nothing new can be added once 512 entries (not programs or apps) are present, which fills up pretty quickly.

The Xbox app is absolutely useless, except, well, for Xbox One remote streaming, which is patchy at best.

It breaks backwards compatibility a lot more than previously surmised - around 15% of games that worked on Windows 7 now do not work with Windows 10 - mostly related to DirectDraw issues.

There's the aforementioned privacy issues.

Wait chain handling is fundamentally broken. It's not uncommon for hang-ups in Explorer or Skype to prevent certain 32-bit apps from running entirely. With InstallShield installer in particular, you frequently have to open up task manager, analyse the wait chain for the setup.exe app and terminate Skype or Explorer because you can launch the installer. WTF?

The forced updates have already been proven to be a fundamentally bad idea.

The mail app is simply horrid. I've not even bothered with Microsoft Edge - I've stuck with Chrome.

At least we know now why it's free. I certainly wouldn't have paid for this shit.
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jamyskis: So, my conclusion after a month of use is that it is a fucking mess.

The start menu is fundamentally broken - nothing new can be added once 512 entries (not programs or apps) are present, which fills up pretty quickly.
I ran into this problem as well, absolutely frustrating after the upgrade that not all my apps are on the Start Menu and apparently no updates have done anything to correct it. I have to look for those I didn't already have on my desktop and pin them.

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jamyskis: It breaks backwards compatibility a lot more than previously surmised - around 15% of games that worked on Windows 7 now do not work with Windows 10 - mostly related to DirectDraw issues.
Fortunately, out of the games I have installed, I have not run into these issues. I wonder if it's only due to games that use DirectDraw, but that should be something not too difficult to ascertain.

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jamyskis: There's the aforementioned privacy issues.

Wait chain handling is fundamentally broken. It's not uncommon for hang-ups in Explorer or Skype to prevent certain 32-bit apps from running entirely. With InstallShield installer in particular, you frequently have to open up task manager, analyse the wait chain for the setup.exe app and terminate Skype or Explorer because you can launch the installer. WTF?
The privacy issues can be circumvented, one just has to be less than nonchalant when performing an installation and make sure you flip the right "switches". As far as the lock-ups are concerned, I've seen a similar problem in Windows 8.1. I was working with a new hire who was trying to install Borland C++ Builder 5.0 (yes, it is a legacy development environment), and every attempt to install it ended up in the installer just "disappearing".

Funny enough, it turned out he had accidentally opened up the "Windows Store" application before switching back to the desktop, once we "Alt+Tab" to it, all of the sudden, every installation we tried to run popped up at once, all but the first throwing an error. Not sure what Windows 8.1 was doing specifically with Marketplace applications over legacy windows applications, but it was pretty odd behavior on a multi-processor desktop.

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jamyskis: The forced updates have already been proven to be a fundamentally bad idea.

The mail app is simply horrid. I've not even bothered with Microsoft Edge - I've stuck with Chrome.

At least we know now why it's free. I certainly wouldn't have paid for this shit.
I'm not a big fan of the forced updates either... you can delay them (and hope the patches get patched), but it's going to move forward whether you want to or not eventually.

I've used the Edge browser, and while it is quite a speedy contender, I went to the HTML 5 support Web page to see how compliant it is with the latest standards compared to Chrome. Chrome beat it hands down and I'm sure if you take all the burden of add-ins off of Chrome, it would end up being the better browser. I am not as stoked on speed of the browser in a desktop environment compared to the HTML 5 support it offers.

All in all, I was at Windows 7 and I certainly wasn't going to pay for 8.1, which, in my opinion, was a bigger steaming pile than 10. The only issue I had with Windows 10 was with the installed Cisco VPN client, but I was able to work around that. I can still play all the games I already had installed from GOG and I like the user interface much better than I do for Windows 8/8.1. Under the covers of the shell user interface, it has some features that are worth the upgrade from 7, but it does have its share of upgrade bugs. In my opinion, it's worth the upgrade while it is still free.
I'm not really having many issues with Windows 10 either. There are a couple games which don't work on 10 that worked on 8.1, but they seem to be bad installers that are checking for a specific version of Windows and balks at Windows 10 not recognizing it.

I've heard there were/are some issues with some NVidia legacy drivers which make some games problematic, but really that is something the third-party vendors need to fix. The AMD drivers (for once) seem to be serving me well.
Don't windows 10. And that's an excellent advice!
The *only* issue I have with Windows 10 is that the Mail app, People app and Calendar app can't connect to my Google account. I just get a generic error message if I try to add a Google account, just clicking the button "add Google account", before any account details are entered Windows 10 just blurts out an indecipherable error message and refuses.

This worked fine in Windows 8.1, from which I upgraded.

The Startscreen is unfortunately more limited than in Windows 8.1 but remains functional. Couldn't care less about the Startmenu, I never liked it anyway.

No significant compatibility issues, Windows 10 is very good at backwards compatibility and I've only seen one single game that has issues with Windows 10 because of DDraw.
Post edited October 01, 2015 by Atlantico
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JDelekto: I ran into this problem as well, absolutely frustrating after the upgrade that not all my apps are on the Start Menu and apparently no updates have done anything to correct it. I have to look for those I didn't already have on my desktop and pin them.
The number of items should increase from 512 to 2048 in build 10547. Not sure when it will be available to the public.

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JDelekto: I'm not a big fan of the forced updates either... you can delay them (and hope the patches get patched), but it's going to move forward whether you want to or not eventually.
Use Shut Up 10 (or any other method you want) to disable automatic updates (yes, it can be done), then use Portable Update to only install the updates you want.
I'm currently pissed off at Microsoft, I had to turn off auto-updates. I'm very happy with Windows 7. When does the free-upgrade deal end? And people say that Apple is intrusive lol.
Post edited October 01, 2015 by oldschool
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oldschool: I'm currently pissed off at Microsoft, I had to turn off auto-updates. I'm very happy with Windows 7. When does the free-upgrade deal end? And people say that Apple is intrusive lol.
Instead of complaining without even stating anything, you could've said it and tried to find a solution for the problems.

Windows 10 is fine, you can tweak it to your liking. I so far have found remedies for annoyances I've encountered with my Windows 10.

Free upgrade is good for one year after Windows 10's release date, after that it won't bother you anymore.
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DalekSec: so this leads to that even with ALL the tracking option disabled, MS is spying what we browse even in third party browsers.
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JMich: Or it could be the page sending an "ms-windows-store://pdp/?productid=########\u0026referrer=unistoreweb" protocol request, similar to the irc:// or the gogdownloader:// one, that the store app is parsing. Did you try it with noscript on, or by disabling said protocol?

Edit: there is also a zune:// protocol sent as well, in case you have an application that would parse zune:// links.
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JDelekto: The privacy issues can be circumvented, one just has to be less than nonchalant when performing an installation and make sure you flip the right "switches". As far as the lock-ups are concerned, I've seen a similar problem in Windows 8.1. I was working with a new hire who was trying to install Borland C++ Builder 5.0 (yes, it is a legacy development environment), and every attempt to install it ended up in the installer just "disappearing".

Funny enough, it turned out he had accidentally opened up the "Windows Store" application before switching back to the desktop, once we "Alt+Tab" to it, all of the sudden, every installation we tried to run popped up at once, all but the first throwing an error. Not sure what Windows 8.1 was doing specifically with Marketplace applications over legacy windows applications, but it was pretty odd behavior on a multi-processor desktop.
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JMich: Use Shut Up 10 (or any other method you want) to disable automatic updates (yes, it can be done), then use Portable Update to only install the updates you want.
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zeroxxx: Windows 10 is fine, you can tweak it to your liking. I so far have found remedies for annoyances I've encountered with my Windows 10.
It never ceases to amaze me how much work people are putting into their "consumer friendly OS" in order to make it run in an acceptable way...

Gosh am I happy to not have to fiddle around as much in Linux Mint.