For all the people worried about W10 spying on them.... I hope you don't use any device connected to a mobile network. The amount of "spying" W10 does is incredible minuscule in comparison.

As for the original posters question - I've personally had zero problems with W10. Its run everything I've thrown at it flawlessly, and boots and runs smooth as silk for everyday tasks.

Good advice in general - but in Lenovo's case it doesn't matter. You didn't read closely enough the first article I linked.

The "crapware" is installed via the BIOS, no matter what install disc you use. This is possible due to the Microsoft Windows Platform Binary Table BIOS feature. To quote a small but relevant part of the article: Beware Lenovo - even with a "clean install" disc.

Usual retort.

Before something undesirable becomes common the retort is often along the lines of, "it's only this one little thing".

After it becomes prevalent, it becomes "well everyone else is already doing it - so just stop worrying about it and accept it" (your retort). Makes the "hand wavers" (as in "these are not the droids you are looking for") happy.

and after that downgrading to Linux.* :)

No. The point is griping about "spying" in Windows 10 in particular is fine, as such since it is going to be the number one OS in the world soon enough - but claiming that's a reason for *not* using Windows 10 is crazy because you'll be spied upon anyway regardless of the OS you choose.

That's not saying it's ok or acceptable to be spied upon online, but whether you choose to use Windows 10 or not changes nothing.

"I'm not using Windows 10 because it spies on me" makes no sense. Complaining about spying in Windows 10 or in general makes perfect sense.

Sorry to ask, linux as OS spies on the user? I was under the impression that no, it doesn't.

Read, parse, understand.

I did not claim the OS spies on you in all cases. Maybe you use an Atari ST to browse the internet.

The Atari will not spy on you, no it won't.

But you'll be spied upon anyway. Because: internet. Because we're all being spied upon. Whether it's in the OS is mere formality. Sorry.

I was under the impression that it was configuration dependent, same as Windows. True, Linux has opt-in snooping while Windows has opt-out snooping, but you want to tell me that Linux can't be configured to spy on the user?
(Joking, though not totally).

Thanks SSolomon
windows is only available in OEM version these days

Most seem to work, but not absolutely everything. There are some GOG games even which seem to have Win10 specific issues (albeit it is not clear which of them is clearly due to Win10 and not some crappy driver, but to me e.g. the Carmageddon 2 installation problem seemed like a Win10-specific issue, even GOG logged it as a Win10 issue in the Carma2 changelog), and another one is the lack of support for some SecuROM variants, in case you try to run such older retail games.

Oh right, to me the biggest flaw in Windows 10 was that the start menu shows only 512 items (shortcuts). Anything you install after reaching that limit isn't shown in the start menu at all (but you can still find those shortcuts in the depths of the filesystem; they are just not displayed on the actual desktop start menu for some reason).

Is this problem fixed yet?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_bug_alert_start_menu_breaks_512_entries/

Thanks for that suggestion and link
I will check it out
What did downgrading to Win 7 involve?
Thanks

I've had no issues with windows 10 64bit. I find it runs better with game than Windows 7 64bit. For all those who are afraid of MS data logging. You can deactivate or uninstall apps on power shell and services you can disable them on Group policy editor and your service settings.

If your having trouble with drivers you need to turn off Device installation settings, under System properties > Hardware > Device installation Settings.

No, let me choose what to do. Never install drivers software from windows updates. This way you can install drivers manually instead of windows update overriding you.

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/migrating_to_windows_10

Some links to help you turn stuff off if you don't like it running in the backround. You can also google stuff to learn more about what to do with windows 10 and MS data logging.

But like you guys I too don't like MS snoopin. Like in its previous version of windows you can turn them off.

Is that a lie that some old games cannot be played on Win10?

From my personal experience, I play Populous a new beginning on Win8 and crash often, when I reformat to Win7 it works like a charm.

Of course Microsoft gather information from users since the beginning, but it is easy to disable most of them. The current version make it hard to disable it, and even with every option disable it still phone home
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

And you conveniently leave out the truth that spying efforts of Microsoft is getting worst and worst compare to Win XP version.

And you conveniently leave out the truth of browser like palemoon have the option to maintain privacy. And user can choose which website they want to share their information with.

That's not true. I downloaded ISOs from MS for 7 as well as 10.
Right, it's possible to do that now with a lot of extra work. Who knows what's going to happen if MS decides to fix the issue. I doubt they put that data logging in there for the hell of it.

Considering that they're fixing 7 and 8 to include the same privacy problems, I wouldn't assume that they wouldn't reintroduce it into 10.

I know its not for no reason why MS likes to spy on us. They have an agenda for it and we can assume what it is. Windows 7 and 8 had data logging features in it as well and they can be disabled.

Since PC dos days I've tinkered with various OS's to work for my interests. It does take extra work. Expect that for PC. If someone wants to be blind they can be. Others who like to see where there going they have that option too. Ignorance of understanding your hardware and software isn't an excuse. Its plain laziness.

If people are really afraid of interest groups spying on them they shouldn't go online. They shouldn't use MS or Macs or iphones etc.

I don't like the data logging stuff ether but I'm not paranoid. I find a way to disable it if possible or hinder it.