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skimmie: I would totally be ok with you (and Zeo and even tinyE) becoming a mod here.
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Dalthnock: Note that it is not my intent to question the personal integrity of the three fine people you mentioned, but I agree with Avogadro6 that there's something about "modship" that, in my personal observance, changes most people & if that happens, it's never for the best.

Sure, I've seen some fine, upstanding mods but those were the minority - the vast minority.

I've also seen some mods that trolled harder than anyone else, but those are a rare gift, indeed.

If GOG ever had the horribly bad idea of implementing volunteer moderators, then things would get better for a very small percentage that shared the same ideals as the mods, while the rest would be silenced, driven off, or blatantly abused - no matter who you'd choose.
While I agree with you that quality moderating is rare indeed, I find the behaviour of some 'members' of our forum so utterly abhorrent that in this case I think we'd be much better off with moderators than without...
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zeogold: I'm not really so sure about that. If you check my other reply to you, you'll see I mentioned that there's a number of users here who've decided to all-out boycott GOG as a result of the forum issues currently in place.
And if we're going to talk finances, it's worth mentioning that GOG could probably close the forum altogether and not have that big of a loss.
Yeah, I was replying to that. Honestly, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. But I will say it again - three troublemakers is absolutely nothing. At all.

The only thing that bugs me in these forums is not knowing WHO downvotes posts. I usually like to wear the people I pissed off as a badge of pride. So far, it has ALWAYS been the same type of people & worth it every time. Too bad I can't be sure here.

I really think this is the way it should be. Let anyone have their opinions & be judged by them. Enforcing ideologies only works for so long.
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Dalthnock: Note that it is not my intent to question the personal integrity of the three fine people you mentioned, but I agree with Avogadro6 that there's something about "modship" that, in my personal observance, changes most people & if that happens, it's never for the best.

Sure, I've seen some fine, upstanding mods but those were the minority - the vast minority.

I've also seen some mods that trolled harder than anyone else, but those are a rare gift, indeed.

If GOG ever had the horribly bad idea of implementing volunteer moderators, then things would get better for a very small percentage that shared the same ideals as the mods, while the rest would be silenced, driven off, or blatantly abused - no matter who you'd choose.
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skimmie: I find the behaviour of some 'members' of our forum so utterly abhorrent
It would be kind of nice if some of those people came in here. It would make GOG's decision a lot easier.
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skimmie: While I agree with you that quality moderating is rare indeed, I find the behaviour of some 'members' of our forum so utterly abhorrent that in this case I think we'd be much better off with moderators than without...
Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's a lot better for you in the long run if you learn how to cope with abhorrent behaviour without relying on having them silenced.

If you really can't stand them, just ignore them. It's really not that hard.
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zeogold: Yeah, but consider this:
Is having NO moderation whatsoever really a better alternative?
We have enough abuse of regular members as it is already. Allow me to point out again that what Wakalo's done in here is literally criminal activity, and things which Tauto and Kleetus have done have directly broken GOG rules, yet nobody does anything about that. In fact, if anything, they've said they don't care.
Which is a worse abuse?
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that these no-moderation issues are exactly why a lot of the old, decent members have either went into hiding or left altogether.
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Dalthnock: You mentioned three posters, one case of criminal activity, in how many? That seems like a very small number to me.

Because there's always going to be something. Always. And if there's a challenge to be had, more people will try to see how far they can go. Inevitably, you'll have to put increasingly sterner rules in place.

Honestly, this is the most pacific, calm board I ever posted in, by FAR.

I'd say some people just need to grow some thicker skin & not get triggered as much. I for one welcome a differing viewpoint. I might see things from another perspective & learn something new.

Bottom line, three people causing mischief is a very good number for any community. I'd say the forums are working perfectly.
You have a fair point in this, but NES and Wakalo (forgot to mention NES in that post) are people who are commonly cited by the older members as being responsible for the downfall of the forum, and, as I mentioned, the reason people here have left.
And it's not only certain users doing things, but there are also other issues, like political topics getting out of hand, or threads getting hijacked.
Perhaps it would only be a small improvement, but it would be a welcome improvement. A VERY welcome improvement, that, in fact, would probably GAIN GOG money in a few ways.

A solution to solve the whole power issue could possibly be that the volunteer mod lacks the power of banning. He or she could have the authority to issue warnings or put temporary locks on posting and, if things get out of hand, alert the "higher-ups".
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tinyE: It would be kind of nice if some of those people came in here. It would make GOG's decision a lot easier.
I *am* here.
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Dalthnock: I really think this is the way it should be. Let anyone have their opinions & be judged by them. Enforcing ideologies only works for so long.
I agree with letting people have their opinions, but it's different when it starts reaching into death threats or racism, which it has before, multiple times. You'd have to concur at least LIGHT moderation would be appropriate.
Currently, we have NO moderation.
Post edited June 14, 2016 by zeogold
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sunshinecorp: God-Emperor of GOG.
Yeah, that sounds cool and all, but if you think about it, that would require you to either: getting infested by parasites and being unable to wash and have sex ever again, OR become a rotting undead who does nothing but sitting on his throne for the rest of eternity.

I'd... be careful if I were you. It's your life man, don't throw it away.
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Dalthnock: The only thing that bugs me in these forums is not knowing WHO downvotes posts.
No offense, but I find this an odd comment from somebody who just said earlier about having a thicker skin...
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Avogadro6: Yeah, that sounds cool and all, but if you think about it, that would require you to either: getting infested by parasites and being unable to wash and have sex ever again, OR become a rotting undead who does nothing but sitting on his throne for the rest of eternity.

I'd... be careful if I were you. It's your life man, don't throw it away.
Is it a golden throne?
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Dalthnock: Yeah, I was replying to that. Honestly, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. But I will say it again - three troublemakers is absolutely nothing. At all.
That was just an example. There's obviously more than that.

Edit: I really should learn to just put all of my replies on one post...I keep forgetting there are others here who'll post as fast as me and break the chain...
Post edited June 14, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: You have a fair point in this, but NES and Wakalo (forgot to mention NES in that post) are people who are commonly cited by the older members as being responsible for the downfall of the forum, and, as I mentioned, the reason people here have left.
And it's not only certain users doing things, but there are also other issues, like political topics getting out of hand, or threads getting hijacked.
Perhaps it would only be a small improvement, but it would be a welcome improvement. A VERY welcome improvement, that, in fact, would probably GAIN GOG money in a few ways.

A solution to solve the whole power issue could possibly be that the volunteer mod lacks the power of banning. He or she could have the authority to issue warnings or put temporary locks on posting and, if things get out of hand, alert the "higher-ups".
I don't even know who those people are, I haven't noticed them yet.

As far as politics go, I'd say it's a direct correlation with what's brewing throughout the world right now. I predict before the end of the year, you'll look back with fondness at political topics getting out of hand in the safety of internet forums, as opposed to meat space. It really won't be pretty if someone doesn't remove the lid of the pressure cooker to allow for the steam to blow out. But that's beside the point.

Now, threads hijacked, I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I'm all for that. I say if a thread finds its own way to a "life" not intended by the author, let it go! That just means people found something they enjoy discussing. If the thread is strong enough, hijack attempts will fail. No heavy hand needed.

The rest, I think we could go on splitting hairs forever, if we so chose.
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Dalthnock: The only thing that bugs me in these forums is not knowing WHO downvotes posts.
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zeogold: No offense, but I find this an odd comment from somebody who just said earlier about having a thicker skin...
No offence taken, please read my justification for having said that:

"I usually like to wear the people I pissed off as a badge of pride. So far, it has ALWAYS been the same type of people & worth it every time."
Post edited June 14, 2016 by Dalthnock
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Dalthnock: Now, threads hijacked, I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I'm all for that. I say if a thread finds its own way to a "life" not intended by the author, let it go! That just means people found something they enjoy discussing. If the thread is strong enough, hijack attempts will fail. No heavy hand needed.
That's the kind of hijacking that's fine. I'M fine with that. The kind I'M referencing is the bad kind. I think I'd rather discuss this one with you via PM lest some of the undesirables get any ideas.
Post edited June 14, 2016 by zeogold
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sunshinecorp: Is it a golden throne?
Yes, and shiny, too. I like shiny things. They're pretty.
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Dalthnock: I don't even know who those people are, I haven't noticed them yet.
I'll explain to you via PM so I don't turn this thread into a scammer discussion.
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Dalthnock: As far as politics go, I'd say it's a direct correlation with what's brewing throughout the world right now. I predict before the end of the year, you'll look back with fondness at political topics getting out of hand in the safety of internet forums, as opposed to meat space. It really won't be pretty if someone doesn't remove the lid of the pressure cooker to allow for the steam to blow out. But that's beside the point.
The issue isn't so much divisive ideas as it is the previous point I mentioned about death threats, racism, personal attacks, etc.
Post edited June 14, 2016 by zeogold