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I’ve never bought much on GOG, simply because my friends are on Steam and I’ve had my account there for about 17 years. However, besides not feeling like I truly own everything I’ve purchased, I also have to mention the restrictive refund policies, especially regarding non-functional or abandoned Early Access games. The maximum time to request a refund is two hours of gameplay, after which you’re completely out of luck if you discover that the product is defective beyond that timeframe. I don’t have many friends on Steam, but we’re all adults, married, and we remember the old days when the CDs you bought were yours forever, without the need for online activations, launchers, or anything like that. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel robbed when you ask for a refund for a game full of bugs or other issues, only to be told, "You’ve exceeded two hours of gameplay, so the refund is not applicable"? As a paying customer, it’s very disheartening to feel cheated, especially when you’ve paid full price for the game.

I was just talking about these things with my friends and how we don’t really own anything. It’s not just about the refunds, but about how we’re treated. Over the years, we’ve even had licenses for some games revoked without any warning, simply because the publisher removed the games from the store and revoked the keys. Nobody refunds you for that, either. Because you don’t own anything on Steam—it’s like renting a movie on Netflix. I have over 700 games that aren’t really mine. The same goes for my friends; I can’t even let my daughter play on my account because the rules prohibit it. Yet, strangely enough, Family Sharing is allowed, which is essentially the same thing since she would still be using my licenses. But oh well, Valve’s rules have always been controversial, contradictory, and against its own users. I certainly can’t say that Steam is the best platform. The only difference is the quantity of games it offers, nothing more.
The forums over the years have become a gut punch for anyone who frequent it, and they’re best avoided, especially due to the lack of moderators, or the few useless paid bots, since anyone can write whatever they want, and the punishment will be light or nonexistent. We really wish GOG would expand its game library further because my friends and I are all moving over here, a decision we made this days. I already have several games on GOG, some duplicated between Steam and GOG, and repurchased on GOG, like the full version of Bloodstained and the Little Nightmares series (1 and 2), which I just repurchased on GOG, along with other games. From now on, future purchases will be made here instead of on Steam.

I’m sorry for this rant or critique of Valve, but as buyers, we aren’t protected at all. GOG probably has its own issues that we aren’t aware of, but certainly far fewer than Steam, and from what we see, GOG is much cleaner and more honest. In the past, several of us were banned from Valve’s forums for criticizing these practices, with no distinction made between constructive criticism and an attack, which are two very different things. The most recent result, though, was yet another massive fine for Valve, which shows just how unclear and controversial their purchase policy was and still is. But it was never a purchase, only a rental.
A rented product that doesn’t work should be refunded regardless of the time played, because defects can appear also after two hours of playtime. The regulations in some countries even require this, which is why Valve has faced so many fines. Anyone offering digital products should be fully aware that they are entirely responsible for what they sell or rent, and the platforms that publish these products should be equally accountable to paying users. This is something that doesn’t happen on Steam.
The platform’s convenience—profile levels, customization, screenshots, badges, emoticons, etc.—has nothing to do with the platform’s true purpose, and it doesn’t justify whether it’s better or worse than others. Why should we pay full price for a product that isn’t even ours, as used to be the case? I decided to write this post here to try to explain what’s really happening and how the majority of users, especially younger ones, are unaware and indifferent. I don’t really care what other Steam users think, who are probably here too. The point is to be able to understand. We come from the older generation, and we believe GOG is still following the path that no one else does anymore.

All we ask is just a bit of honesty.
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Valeriya_78: The maximum time to request a refund is two hours of gameplay, after which you’re completely out of luck if you discover that the product is defective beyond that timeframe.
This is not entirely true. I have received refunds on Steam outside the window for automatic refunds. They will be granted on a case by case basis. You have to initiate an actual ticket, not the automated refund process.
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Valeriya_78: The maximum time to request a refund is two hours of gameplay, after which you’re completely out of luck if you discover that the product is defective beyond that timeframe.
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paladin181: This is not entirely true. I have received refunds on Steam outside the window for automatic refunds. They will be granted on a case by case basis. You have to initiate an actual ticket, not the automated refund process.
To get a refund you have to send a manual ticket and it is not guaranteed that it will be accepted.
The point is that there is a lack of consistency and transparency.
When I first understood what it meant to "own" games on Steam, I started researching more about what DRM really is and how this industry is imoral with customers. This was back in 2019-2020. Then I meet GOG. Well, Im here for 4 years now.

Glad that all this controversy with the California law and Steam telling in our faces that we actually don't own any games there is serving as a wake up call to gaming community.
Sad that It had to be this late for most of us and like this.

Welcome, anyways, to you all, and we hope GOG will deal with this with honesty, prudence, wisdom and good business practicies.

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Edit:

YongYear covered the situation and also on GOG's post on X, by the way:

YongYea - "New law forces Steam to disclose we don't own purchased games, GOG takes shots" - 16:04 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnW5CqAROCA
Post edited October 15, 2024 by .Keys
forums here on Gog are very slow with bots still being a thing... its not as bad as STeam but that isn't saying much
if you think value is bad then avoid EA ... i refuse to play Mass effect or ragon age because the EA app is just bullshit

apart from that welcome to the Gog forums
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I thought you meant like buying the whole store with all its games and DLCs just to support GOG. I would never wish that on anyone even if you like GOG much.

But, welcome aboard! I'm not even that old either, I just happened to be born early on when games still came on discs.
All people are welcome.
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Valeriya_78: (....)
✅ signed, This is like an RPG game. I like your Hero 😊 a Specialist and not the dissolved something.
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Welcome!
Also, younger users (not real actual Players) nowadays don't play real Videogames. They play online timesinks.
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Valeriya_78: The same goes for my friends; I can’t even let my daughter play on my account because the rules prohibit it. Yet, strangely enough, Family Sharing is allowed, which is essentially the same thing since she would still be using my licenses.
Gog has more or less the same policy. They would LIKE you to buy a new copy for every family member. That said, they can't really enforce such things with offline installers.
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Valeriya_78: The forums over the years have become a gut punch for anyone who frequent it, and they’re best avoided, especially due to the lack of moderators, or the few useless paid bots, since anyone can write whatever they want, and the punishment will be light or nonexistent.
I find that the more lax moderation there a plus. It allows for trash talk but also interesting conversations as well. Over here the forums have more or less died out over the years due to various policies.

Anyways, welcome (back?) to the store/forums. We all hope you have a good time of it :)


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CarChris: They play online timesinks.
In life almost everything is a time sink. If only there were a store that sold extra time :)
Post edited October 16, 2024 by GamezRanker
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Valeriya_78: All we ask is just a bit of honesty.
And thank you very much for your honesty! Very useful post. I never managed to convince any Steam customer to come here... yet. But thanks to you, I have found some encouragement.
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Valeriya_78: All we ask is just a bit of honesty.
Welcome!
And don't forget to download your offline installers!
Misleading title but welcome to GOG.

Yeah, Im not surprised that people arnt aware of DRM and the current regulation likely woke people up to what they actually "own." When I first got into PC gaming after finally getting a decent PC, the obvious location was Steam because it has become synonymous with PC gaming. Honestly came as a shock that everything was digital only, a launcher is required to install games, and CDs were a relic of the past (I did play some classics like Diablo 2 back in the day installing via CD).

I then did some research into other stores, found out about GOG and DRM-free and then had to do some research to find out what DRM-free actually means. Took a while and there are still some drawbacks to GOG being DRM-free.

- Much smaller library, especially of AAA/AA games (big publishers like EA or Ubisoft love their DRM)
- Even when AAA games do release, they come to GOG much later
- as a smaller storefront, some devs dont treat GOG equally (no achievements for some games or updates like they have for steam).
- some wavering in what actually consists of "DRM-free" (some issues with CyberPunk 2077 locking off weapon skins to Twitch drops or the existence of Gwent standalone for example)

As a result, I havent fully transitioned from console to PC but there are alot of great things with GOG like offline installers which are a must download to really secure your games. I know Steam users will argue that games with just Steam DRM is not "really DRM" because it is easy to break but not sure that is the argument you want to make.
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Post edited October 24, 2024 by solseb
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Valeriya_78: A rented product that doesn’t work should be refunded regardless of the time played, because defects can appear also after two hours of playtime. The regulations in some countries even require this, which is why Valve has faced so many fines.
This is indeed true. A RENTED product can be taken away from you, so as soon as you "give it back" you have no access to it anymore.

However... there are some cheeky people who may be abusing it, so they rent a game all the time and just give back almost every game played. Kinda like a library with books. This is not even wrong as this is the way Steam could handle it in a very honest way. You simply rent their game... a license for renting it... but never actually buy it. Those stuff can be "given back" at any given time because you never was buying THIS GAME, it was always just a "renting license"!

They could still offer different games... those you actually BUY, the ones without DRM. Even on Steam it is possible but the games without DRM are a huge minority.

On GOG, basically every game is without a DRM, so it is NOT just "renting", as you actually can get a working copy of a game that will be "yours forever", so it is not just a rent. The only reason you may demand a refund is "if it actually is not working, a tech issue". Surely, a game that is NOT a rent is not something you can always give back at any time. Imagine the possible abuse someone could do using this system. You can actually "copy the entire book" and then give it back after... so certainly it does not work. However, in case of technical issues which can not be solved it is surely possible even on GoG becoming a "refund".

Personally, i never was using a refund because just not worth it to me. I rather would like the game working properly somehow and if it does never work... i just hope my support may have helped still. It is just not my style "giving things back", but on the other hand... it is important to me that i can actually "OWN" something.

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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: As a result, I havent fully transitioned from console to PC but there are alot of great things with GOG like offline installers which are a must download to really secure your games. I know Steam users will argue that games with just Steam DRM is not "really DRM" because it is easy to break but not sure that is the argument you want to make.
As long as no one can provide a convenient launcher able to bypass the FF13 "Steam protection" those words are just nice, but not true. This game does not even have Denuvo, yet the "In house" DRM is already very strong. Sure, you can always "crack it" but then it is no "easy and convenient" circumvention anymore... not DRM free at all.

It is best, instead of dry words...to get real, showing us they are not just using dry words without meaning. Why should a random user be capable of if not even a "modder" can do it without breaking their mind first? Those gamers just are telling themself "what they want to hear" without any real proof, this is simply believe... not a empiric science.

It is a hard DRM, unless someone is showing me a proof that it is not true, not any sooner than that. Just use this single game and try it... i make it as easy as possible. I will not even ask it on a Denuvo game... because i am fair.

Besides: Some games can not even be run inside a Steam Emulator, unless it is cracked beforehand, so you see how much of a DRM store it truly is. Sure you can always get "a crack" but then we are leaving the legal-play-field.

Yes, some modders was already providing a launcher able to bypass the "account requirements" of certain games. I can tell you... those modders has been attacked from the publisher almost "day one"... they feel threatened and the amount of modders doing such stuff is decreasing almost toward zero.
Post edited October 17, 2024 by Xeshra