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muntdefems: The key aspect of all this matter to me is the exact wording of that #15 clause: GOG is "reserving the right to remove the games from your GOG.com library".

So, in case something happened to your Steam account and/or your games, GOG may or may not do something in turn. Like, e.g. removing them from your GOG account. They may or may not do something.

But if I've learnt anything from my more than 3-year long relationship with GOG is that they are immensely more likely not to do anything than to actually do something (in that regard they are more like Valve than anybody would care to admit).

So basically, I wouldn't worry too much about your connected games no matter what. Having said that,it doesn't really hurt to download and backup every game you own here.
All I want is clarity, that's all I'm asking. I'm planning to leave Steam some time in the future, and I could "compromise" my account by doing that (as I said, it could be closed, by me, or stolen, or whatever). If that means that I lose my GOG Connect games, then I prefer to buy them again, more slowly, but being sure that I'll keep them when I fully switch from Steam to GOG.

Ps: your last advice is obvious, but I prefer to backup only what I really want to keep no-matter-what, leaving the rest to points-of-no-return situations, like GOG changing or leaving business and stuff like that. At that point I'll obviously backup everything.
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Once you redeem a steam game onto your account at GOG it's there to stay. The only thing I want for connect is for it to be automatic.
Perhaps you have the right of it, but I doubt you'll get a satisfactory or a conclusive answer, they might say one thing, and do another later. The whole "Connect" option might disappear altogether.

Now about the statement n°15 that someone quoted earlier about from the Connect FAQ, I think it deals more with revoked/stolen keys, like those bought from shady grey market websites. In such cases, it certainly would be only fair to delete the game(s) from GOG's library as well, since they were obtained unduly and unlawfully.
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theslitherydeee: Once you redeem a steam game onto your account at GOG it's there to stay.
I hope so!
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Desmight: At that point I'll obviously backup everything.
Obviously, do as you see fit, but "at that point" it'll probably be already too late.
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Desmight: At that point I'll obviously backup everything.
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muntdefems: Obviously, do as you see fit, but "at that point" it'll probably be already too late.
I understand, but for the time being I just can't afford to backup 100 and more games into a profitable way. I already have all of them on an hard drive, if that's what you're talking about, but "backing up" is something different to me (like multiple copies etc.) and I plan to do that, starting with the games I really want to keep (already started with that) and then the other ones.
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Desmight: Potentially, I could redeem like 150 games on GOG that I already have on Steam, through Connect, if they are made available. At that point, I would love to leave Steam, but if doing that can put at risk 150 of my games, then I'll be forced to keep being a Steam user, and keep checking my account etc.
No. You back up your GoG games.
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Desmight: Potentially, I could redeem like 150 games on GOG that I already have on Steam, through Connect, if they are made available. At that point, I would love to leave Steam, but if doing that can put at risk 150 of my games, then I'll be forced to keep being a Steam user, and keep checking my account etc.
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misteryo: No. You back up your GoG games.
I will, as I've said up here, but that doesn't mean that they should not clarify what happens to these games when your Steam account doesn't exist anymore or is banned. GOG is evolving into an alternative to Steam, as a platform, service and store. It's not only a store where you buy installers to stock on hard drives. It wants to be that, but also more than that. As a gaming platform (which is what GOG is becoming, by growing and improving) they need to make clear what happens to your library in some situations, like the one I pointed at.
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misteryo: No. You back up your GoG games.
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Desmight: I will, as I've said up here, but that doesn't mean that they should not clarify what happens to these games when your Steam account doesn't exist anymore or is banned. GOG is evolving into an alternative to Steam, as a platform, service and store. It's not only a store where you buy installers to stock on hard drives. It wants to be that, but also more than that. As a gaming platform (which is what GOG is becoming, by growing and improving) they need to make clear what happens to your library in some situations, like the one I pointed at.
And it seems to me they have made it clear: they don't know. And so, to cover themselves, they have reserved the right to remove the games, as stated in the terms.

I'm really having trouble seeing your point, or your difficulty, or whatever...
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Desmight: I will, as I've said up here, but that doesn't mean that they should not clarify what happens to these games when your Steam account doesn't exist anymore or is banned. GOG is evolving into an alternative to Steam, as a platform, service and store. It's not only a store where you buy installers to stock on hard drives. It wants to be that, but also more than that. As a gaming platform (which is what GOG is becoming, by growing and improving) they need to make clear what happens to your library in some situations, like the one I pointed at.
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misteryo: And it seems to me they have made it clear: they don't know. And so, to cover themselves, they have reserved the right to remove the games, as stated in the terms.

I'm really having trouble seeing your point, or your difficulty, or whatever...
"They don't know" but 10-20-100 games in your GOG library (depends on how many you redeemed by Connect) could be heavily tied to your Steam account (I'm not talking about you specifically, I don't know if you have a Steam account) and I'm the only one that thinks that if this is the case, then this should be told loud and clear? Seriously?

The "download them while you can" philosophy is not the point, I've already answered about that. You don't buy a 1 time download on GOG, and you don't buy a timed license, if Connect games are "identical" to the ones you buy on GOG, than they should be viewed in the same way.
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misteryo: And it seems to me they have made it clear: they don't know. And so, to cover themselves, they have reserved the right to remove the games, as stated in the terms.

I'm really having trouble seeing your point, or your difficulty, or whatever...
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Desmight: "They don't know" but 10-20-100 games in your GOG library (depends on how many you redeemed by Connect) could be heavily tied to your Steam account (I'm not talking about you specifically, I don't know if you have a Steam account) and I'm the only one that thinks that if it's the case, this should be told loud and clear? Seriously?
I think you are making up problems.

They don't know, because it hasn't happened yet. Theoretically, nothing will happen, because Steam (Valve) has zero control over your GoG account. Zero. However, let me spin some hypotheticals: You lost your key at Steam, because the developer revoked it from you because it turns out you defrauded the developer. Then they figure out that you used Connect to also get the game on GoG. The dev asks GoG to also revoke your game. What happens in that case? I bet no one knows. Another one: Steam pulls your game because it was found to have been purchased with a stolen credit card. Steam contacts GoG to let them know this. What does GoG do? I bet no one knows, because noone of this has come up before.

So, no, I don't think GoG owes us any big explanations. I don't think there is an actual problem. And I think even the hypothetical problems go away once you realize that the solution is to BACK YOUR GAMES UP! If you do that, then there isn't really a problem, and if you don't do that, then you can't really blame GoG.

Merry Christmas.
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Desmight: "They don't know" but 10-20-100 games in your GOG library (depends on how many you redeemed by Connect) could be heavily tied to your Steam account (I'm not talking about you specifically, I don't know if you have a Steam account) and I'm the only one that thinks that if it's the case, this should be told loud and clear? Seriously?
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misteryo: I think you are making up problems.

They don't know, because it hasn't happened yet. Theoretically, nothing will happen, because Steam (Valve) has zero control over your GoG account. Zero. However, let me spin some hypotheticals: You lost your key at Steam, because the developer revoked it from you because it turns out you defrauded the developer. Then they figure out that you used Connect to also get the game on GoG. The dev asks GoG to also revoke your game. What happens in that case? I bet no one knows. Another one: Steam pulls your game because it was found to have been purchased with a stolen credit card. Steam contacts GoG to let them know this. What does GoG do? I bet no one knows, because noone of this has come up before.

So, no, I don't think GoG owes us any big explanations. I don't think there is an actual problem. And I think even the hypothetical problems go away once you realize that the solution is to BACK YOUR GAMES UP! If you do that, then there isn't really a problem, and if you don't do that, then you can't really blame GoG.

Merry Christmas.
Steam has zero control over my GOG account, and that's why I'm asking this to GOG support and on the GOG forum, not on Steam. Also, I wasn't talking about 1 or 2 games, in that case they would probably be revoked on both platforms without thinking too much about it, if it's a request that comes from the developer. I'm talking about closing your steam account, getting it banned or locked etc.
Backing up games should be a choice, they should not be tied to an account that's not the account you use to download them. If they are, it should be made clear when you get them, even for free. They have to know what happens and what to do, in particular it's a problem as simple as this. You keep your games or you don't. If you don't keep your games, than they are tied to your Steam account.

"But you can keep your games if you back up your installers!"
I don't want to know how to keep my games if they get removed from my GOG library, I want to know if I keep them in my GOG library when I close my Steam account anytime in the future. That's the whole point of this thread. "We don't know" can't be an official answer. There is value in having them in my GOG library, always downloadable drm-free, with cloud saves and stuff. If that value is tied to your Steam account being alive and functional, it should be made clear, because one could lose the value added by GOG as a service (maybe if we talk about GOG Galaxy it sounds more familiar to you) when closing a Steam account. And you could lose that for dozens of games.

Btw, I don't know why you're being so aggressive. I just wanted to discuss about a thing that I think should be addressed before it becomes big enough to cause troubles (and yes, GOG users should care about it even if they back up their games). I hoped to make it in a friendly way, really, and it's what I'm trying to do. Merry Christmas anyway, to you and your family! (even though it's a bit late maybe, here in Italy Christmas day is already over)
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Desmight: Btw, I don't know why you're being so aggressive. I just wanted to discuss about a thing that I think should be addressed before it becomes big enough to cause troubles (and yes, GOG users should care about it even if they back up their games). I hoped to make it in a friendly way, really, and it's what I'm trying to do. Merry Christmas anyway, to you and your family! (even though it's a bit late maybe, here in Italy Christmas day is already over)
Agressive in response to your title (We should demand...) and your walls of text that don't say much. I think it's clear that you are in fact alone in thinking this is a big deal.

Cheers!
I don't understand the problem.
You have bought a game on Steam. If for any reasons unknown to us this game no longer is in your Steam library why are
you troubled about the game maybe revoked on GOG? Hey, you never paid for a free GOG copy like with those games
that at sold with both keys (retail versions).
Now if you asked how could GOG know that you no longer owns the game....that would be a better question.
Steam gives a sh$t about contacting other companies about intern issues. The devs/publisher can't see them
interested in removing single games.
But what about GOG Connect? With them GOG is able to search your library for certain games. Is that permanent?
And is it only for the games you are eligible to get.
One of the most important resources are informations and knowing more about the behavior of their customers is
a big goal of every company.
But than, hey GOG is the saint of games they would never do something so Evil ;-)
Oh my!

This statement made me think.

The day when the Klingons will arrive, and they'll capture Steam, GOG Connect FAQ #15 won't apply.
The only valid answer for this complex problem can be 42.
I demand that GOG Support ultimately admit this fact!!!