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Posted December 01, 2015
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Stevedog13: Thanks for the response, however I think I may not have made my question clear. I know what a Diablo-clone is, in terms of gameplay and mechanics. I'm just not sure how to ID them from the game cards. For example, if Diablo were here on GOG it would be found under the genres Action and Role-Playing. This would make sense as games like Torchlight, Nox and Van Helsing are also Action/Role-Playing. However GOG considers games like The Witcher 1+2, Omikron, VTM: Redemption, the Mount & Blade series and most of the D&D Gold Box titles to all fall under the Action/Role-Playing genres as well. Now obviously these are not all Diablo-clones, in fact many of them have no similarity to Diablo whatsoever.

Unfortunately none of these titles are described in any way as Diablo-clones or Diablo-likes. The description on Darkstone, which has been mentioned in this thread as a Diablo-clone, does list one of it's features as "four difficulty levels that use the well-known Diablo-style formula of each level being the possibility of further progression for you character". I literally have no idea what that means so I wouldn't otherwise know if this were a Diablo-clone or not.

I guess this is more a question to the larger gaming media as a whole and not so much to you or my fellow GOGgers, but if Roguelike can be it's own genre then why can't we have a Diablolike catagory as well? That would make things easier.
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HunchBluntley: Screenshots and videos will give you a major clue. All "Diablo clones" have another thing in common: a third person isometric perspective (actually "pseudo-isometric", "near-isometric", or "videogame-isometric" would be more correct, but saying "isometric" is quicker) that's not quite top-down, but obviously not side view, either. Many of these games have fixed camera angles, though most of the more modern ones allow zooming; however, I'm sure there are some that allow the camera to not only zoom and rotate freely, but even change pitch. (Frankly, I find it bizarre that you can't rotate the camera in completely 3D games like Torchlight and Din's Curse. Maybe this is the "Diablo clones' " answer to the traditional Rogue-like insistence that if the "graphics" aren't pure ASCII, it's not a Rogue-like. Because clearly that's the defining feature of the game.)
That's not to say that all ARPGs that use the Diablos' visual perspective are "Diablo clones", though. [i]Inquisitor, for example, has been mentioned, but from what I've heard from those who've played it extensively, it wouldn't qualify as a "Diablo-like", since it has a heavy focus on investigation and story. Likewise, from what little I've played of it to date, Divine Divinity is about as close to a "real" RPG as it is to the "hack 'n' loot" games we've talked about here, yet it is very similar, in visuals and in general interface, to Diablo. Still, worth taking into consideration.

Personally, I prefer terms like "hack 'n' loot" to Diablo clone, as the former is a little more inclusive, while the latter is only truly useful for describing straight-up imitations.
Maybe I didnt play enough of Inquisitor but that game would be classified as another diablo clone. There's no story that I can see, large amount of combat, different classes, little to no problem solving. Sure, the crimes had you do minor detective work but nothing that is extreme. Titan Quest was being questioned as not being a diablo clone but it really is in every way it could be.

What really separates an action-rpg like jade empire and a diablo clone like titan quest is that there are 3 things-

Titan Quest doesnt have a story while jade empire does
Titan Quest has random item qualities and drops-jade empire has set locations
Titan Quest has choices in statistics and weapon-Jade empire has choices in how they want things to happen and how they are affected by the characters actions

As JIrenicus said- "You live, you affect your world..."

You might even be able to say Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim Fout3 and 4 are all somewhat clones. No problem solving, No story, just hack and slash and leveling up. Sure there are factions but you its really just hack and slash with a few tidbits.

I will say this though, so far they are all good if that is what you are in the mood for ;)
Posted December 01, 2015
One of my favourite genres. I think the high points for me are Diablo II, Titan Quest and Nox (which I actually don't consider to be a Diablo clone due to its emphasis on action rather than loot).

I think almost every Diablo derivative has been mentioned by now, so I'll just point out that next year XSEED will be publishing Xanadu Next, which is Falcom's (Ys series, TitS) take on the genre. It's closer to Nox than Diablo in that it focuses more on action than loot. And the soundtrack is awesome.
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deathknight1728: It meant to say weren't potions as everyone of them has them except the one I am talking about. But that doesnt make sense. There weren't potions in Heretic Kingdoms Inquisition. When I played the game you get herbs that you can use in every fight. As you use them they heal you less each fight that you move on.
Blood points (the resource that munching on herbs reduces) are restored when you rest at a campfire or in bed.
The game has many unique mechanics, but it's really not that complicated.
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awalterj: For a straight up shameless Diablo clone, I recommend checking out Blade & Sword, pretty much Diablo but with a Chinese theme, made by a Chinese company. Smooth gameplay, virtually no learning curve for Diablo players. Only has 3 character classes: A quick female assassin, a slow but heavy warrior and a standard "allround swordsman hero" type.
It has a sequel as well (looks like an expansion pack tbh), but that one was only translated into Russian.
Post edited December 01, 2015 by tootbrush
Posted December 01, 2015
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tootbrush: One of my favourite genres. I think the high points for me are Diablo II, Titan Quest and Nox (which I actually don't consider to be a Diablo clone due to its emphasis on action rather than loot).

I think almost every Diablo derivative has been mentioned by now, so I'll just point out that next year XSEED will be publishing Xanadu Next, which is Falcom's (Ys series, TitS) take on the genre. It's closer to Nox than Diablo in that it focuses more on action than loot. And the soundtrack is awesome.
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deathknight1728: It meant to say weren't potions as everyone of them has them except the one I am talking about. But that doesnt make sense. There weren't potions in Heretic Kingdoms Inquisition. When I played the game you get herbs that you can use in every fight. As you use them they heal you less each fight that you move on.
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tootbrush: Blood points (the resource that munching on herbs reduces) are restored when you rest at a campfire or in bed.
The game has many unique mechanics, but it's really not that complicated.
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awalterj: For a straight up shameless Diablo clone, I recommend checking out Blade & Sword, pretty much Diablo but with a Chinese theme, made by a Chinese company. Smooth gameplay, virtually no learning curve for Diablo players. Only has 3 character classes: A quick female assassin, a slow but heavy warrior and a standard "allround swordsman hero" type.
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tootbrush: It has a sequel as well (looks like an expansion pack tbh), but that one was only translated into Russian.
Interesting, I Have B&S 1, hadn't realised there was a follow up. Also useful on that page is a link towards the bottom:
http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/diablo-variants/offset,0/so,1d/
Which leads to a list, with some not mentioned.

There are also many more, but depends on how loose your definition is, Zax: The Alien Hunter, for instance. Am at work so will have a look when home.
Posted December 01, 2015
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NuffCatnip: We dont have those in Germany, we have sausage sundays...dont ask...
Okay, I'l bite and ask. I've never head of those although I was born in Germany and have been living there for several decades. You've left me quite confused. Is it a regional thing?
Posted December 01, 2015
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NuffCatnip: We dont have those in Germany, we have sausage sundays...dont ask...
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mk47at: Okay, I'l bite and ask. I've never head of those although I was born in Germany and have been living there for several decades. You've left me quite confused. Is it a regional thing?
I was being sarcastic. ^^
But maybe some really have these, who knows ? :)
Posted December 01, 2015
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mk47at: Okay, I'l bite and ask. I've never head of those although I was born in Germany and have been living there for several decades. You've left me quite confused. Is it a regional thing?
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NuffCatnip: I was being sarcastic. ^^
But maybe some really have these, who knows ? :)
Okay. I thought I was missing something important.

But it didn't sound crazy enough to be completely implausible. It could exist in Bavaria or Thruingia. ;-)
Posted December 01, 2015
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NuffCatnip: I was being sarcastic. ^^
But maybe some really have these, who knows ? :)
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mk47at: Okay. I thought I was missing something important.

But it didn't sound crazy enough to be completely implausible. It could exist in Bavaria or Thruingia. ;-)
That does sound like something common in Bavaria. xD

Next time Ill go over the top to make sure it sounds rediculous. ;)
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