Tbh I agree with those saying a seat's a seat in your example. This is not to say I don't sympathize with those who lost their couch in said example, btw. I dunno about others(can't speak for them), but as for me: I think there are bigger "fish" to "fry" on/with regards to GOG......ones that maybe we can have an impact on and/or that are more important(objectively speaking) to more people.

Also as I said earlier: I want to see if this has some outcome re: a GOG decision or not, or what will happen here as time goes on in general.

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As for this thread, an analogy(might be good, might not...just thought of it): This thread is akin to a cinema show....everyone stayed for the film, then most left during the start or middle of the credits, and now only a few are left sitting there as the lights come back on and the ushers come in to clean up while telling them the film is over.

Consider me in this case to be one of the ushers(though i'm not trying to force anyone to leave and never would think of doing such)...merely pointing out that the "show" is over.

No, you are the one that brought up 'regular users' as it means something, remember? So what you are saying now is that your earlier statement is meaningless?

It has absolutely no bearing on what I said earlier ... which you'd know if you had read properly.

And one of the main reasons I don't reply to you very often, is posts like this, and because I struggle to not insult you for your thinking, and a MOD has asked me to refrain from doing anything like that ... which is why I just modified my post a little that you quoted, because on reflection I was closer to the wind than I wanted to be.

Alas you quoted and posted while I was modifying.

Have a good day!

False equivalence. You dont need a downloader when you can just download via browser. A working metaphor would be: You lease a car with cool rims and then the person leasing it to you eventually swaps them out for new ones you like less.

I am guessing you missed my reply to you, buried as it is in a reply that starts off to someone else ... unfortunately the forum software combines some posts if they happen in a short space of time.

That's why I said, you MIGHT understand it ... honestly, I was expecting that it did not work. Some people just don't WANT to understand. So I decided to ignore you as well.

good morning

so, please, as I don;t understand - explain this: in relation to this: Either we have to accept your number is fine (i.e. ignore the whole 'regular basis'), in which case you also need to accept the number in the previous post as well, for this point. You can not pick and choose for which the numbers are valid or not. IN any case, your 'defense' of 'regular users' here, applies to the 'regular users' before as well. You can not know if any of the voters are not just 'irregular' or 'regular' users

As i said before, the only way to deal with this is agree that the whole 'regular users' is a can of worms, and disregard that line of that post (before grappling with the rest of it).



Anyway, since you are replying, is that you have never really tried to out that number, which you asked the question: To which I returned to question back to you. Now, I have actually thought about this number a bit (have you? or are you 'taking it at face value), and I think the only way to consider it is by placing it in context (correct me if I am wrong here, but I feel that if we do not, then it is only a 'face value' number).

So lets do another calculation and think deeply about what this number actually means to gOg Now, we do not know the number of gOg users (heh - regular or not...), but we have some indications. when there is comparisons between, Steam and gOg sales, the number tends to be between 10%-3% sales on gOg. Again, difficult to extrapolate from here. But lets assume that gOg may have 3% of Steam's user base? Heck, for the exercise of just thinking 'deeply about this number - shall e assume that gOg have 1% of Steam's userbase? is that OK as a thought experiment?

Now, Steam had 90.000.000 active users in 2018, but we are generous today, so lets just take today's peak users, which was 22.000.000. So 1% of this is 220.000 (I really do not think that gOg has so few users, but we are just thinking deeply about what this number means right now, you know, making sure we are not just taking it at face value).

In this thought experiment, 1200 votes represents 1200*100/220000=0.5% of gOg users

So this was me thinking deeply about what this number means, have you got anything to add? have you thought about what it means?

Browser download? That is so busy work, maybe works for one game you just bought but for the whole library and keeping them updated it not good.
Btw why remove a feature which probably costs nothing to keep? It is just an anti-customer move. Not good not good at all.

Broswer is an option, but in all fairness it's a pain in the butt for any newer game with lots of files in 4GB chunks. Galaxy is the replacement for the downloader, and lets you download the offline installers. That's the real advice I'd give. Most of this thread is people angry because they don't like using Galaxy to download for one reason or another.

To be fair, most of the user base(the forum users I mean, INCLUDING ME to some extent) seem to be people with various complaints about/issues surrounding something(OS companies, game companies[pub and devs], game stores[i.e. steam and epic], clients[for various reasons], DRM, etc) or other...i.e. we're not what some now call the "normies" of society.

Great, now we're almost guaranteed a visit from you-know-who. o.0 ;)

(The above is a joke, everyone....I actually have no major issues with the user I am jesting about)

To what end ... you seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture overall, so it would just be a wasted effort on my part. Those savvy enough to do so have already done so, and don't need further illumination from me. I am quite happy to stand by what I have written, and if I am ever proved wrong, I will happily admit it.

If you cannot even get my point about 'regular', what hope is there for the rest.

And to be honest, I'm not even sure you are trying to understand. I certainly can't see why you and some others come here regularly and attack. Its not like you are being helpful or anything.

I will comment on one thing though, not that it really factors a hell of a lot, and that is total GOG user base compared to Steams. I seriously doubt it is anywhere like 1%, but I guess I could be wrong.

But then again, as I have said all along, unless you know enough facts, the numbers are meaningless, it is all conjecture ... but I'll back my conjecture against yours any day.

To further elaborate on the meaningless.
Of those who are regular at Steam, what percent are they?
Can you in any way compare that to GOG's ... or vice-a-versa?
And can you really know GOGs percent?

You are talking about huge numbers of people, especially at Steam, with all sorts of behavior. And Steam is more a store where you have bought into something and get games on loan, whereas with GOG, you are pretty much independent once you get your game(s) ... and don't really have to visit again at all if you don't want.

Take me for instance, I am regularly (that word again) at Steam, though I rarely grab anything other than freebies. I'm at Epic regularly too (once a week for the freebie and sometimes inbetween ... for other freebies). I also go to Itch.io and IndieGala and Big Fish Games and Humble etc etc ... and GOG of course, where I do purchase regularly, and I come here every day or three ... used to be daily ... FreeGameFindings at Reddit makes it easier for me to stay away, at least for freebies (especially as i already have the current one ... becomes problematic when you have so many games), and I just pass by now and then to check out any new additions or discounts ... usually while I am here to make a post at the forum. A program I run can tell me about the discounts for those items on my wishlist, and for the rest I rely on emails a bit.

The last I looked, the gaming world, aside from consoles, is mostly made up of Steam Gamers, and other stores, especially GOG, only account for a small portion, which is even smaller if you just count those who avoid Steam.

So as I have been trying to say all along, but some just love to twist, the numbers are quite meaningless in the context I was talking about them in.

And what would that be, if you don't mind sharing it with us who "don't get it"?

Again with the "you just don't get it" retort/reply(as if that proves you right just by saying it).

That's...not....how...that...works.

On what you said here: Are you yourself even trying to understand any of the other side of this issue(like what some of us have said)? Because it seems like what you've mostly done is to handwave it off as if most of us are clueless and don't get anything, instead of trying to see it from our side.

I disagree and think numbers(like in this case) can be meaningful.....if too small a percentage want a store or company to do something(unless it's an "in vogue" issue) then often(though not all the time) that group won't get what they want.

Read the above bit again.....the numbers are still meaningful in other ways.

Unfortunately as you know, this topic is like click bait, and some just have to have their say without really thinking it through.

They are happy doing their browser link downloading, probably only have to do it now and then. So they don't stop and think about others, and many of them just download to install and not to archive.

They have a good web connection, and don't stop to think that others might have poorer.

Maybe they don't download huge game files much, so any errors are few and far between ... or never.

Perhaps they are okay having to wait and click for each download, rather than use a queue method, that allows you to set and forget until they are all done, and go do something else for a while.

Or maybe they just use Galaxy, and they think we are silly not to as well, and should be satisfied with browser links in that case, without really ever using them themself, and not really being that computer savvy outside of games.

I bought five games today from GOG, which meant I loaded up 22 browser links in Free Download Manager 5 ... many of them 4 Gb, so they take a while. What a pain to have had to do them all one by one ... and would have been even easier in the old GOG Downloader, as something like 5 links (EXE plus BIN files) equated to one link.

I guess the size of this topic makes it hard for those in a hurry, to do a proper read ... they are just too keen to tell you how silly you all are, pat themself on the back and then leave ... and then sometimes come back later to check out our silly response, and give some more pearls of wisdom.

I guess we should laugh really, and despite not being helpful, they do keep this topic alive ... for the regulars (sic) to see ... or irregulars (lol).

(Sorry for the silly reply, but the song fits[imo] the above case/example...now for those who have massive game libraries it's a different story)

Crazy idea: Maybe if you'd be nicer to those you want more sympathy from(and also not make subtle digs at their intellect) they would be nicer to you and possibly support you more?

You've mentioned crazy ideas before, and they've never really grabbed me ... sorry.

I've been around quite a while now at various forums, and I have rarely seen any of what you claim as a possibility, being a reality. Others set the tone, not me ... its all about due diligence and respect. Once they kind of fail that, you are just wasting your breath.

I'm known for making what are called word walls, and I used to reply after reply after reply, trying to clear issues up ... never really worked, and from what I have seen with other conversations by other people, it is always the same.

So I have my say, plant some seeds, and rely on those with the capability, to eventually get it ... if not soon, then maybe in years to come. I get fed up repeating myself, but now and then a bit more tolerance kicks in and I do.

No-one who doesn't want to be convinced will be ... alas they need to convince themselves ... eventually or not.

P.S. I do keep talking to some ... or now and then ... that's about as nice as it gets from me, if I feel disrespected. Like I have said before, I am a pretty forgiving fellow, but I do have a limit to my tolerance.

P.S.S. And honestly, you are asking me to be nice, to people who have come here with one negative disrespectful object in mind ... to tell us how stupid we are ... even you are guilty of that. Be grateful I still reply to you ... now and then.

P.S.S.S. And some do it with one sentence, like a troll. Please explain why they need my niceness, when they really deserve contempt?