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General discussionWe DO NOT WANT say goodbye to GOG Downloader(809 posts)(809 posts)
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Posted March 17, 2020
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visconteprimus: I know, man, and I've already said to you which will be my way: if a company acts in a way I don't agree, I'll simply stop support it. :)
Fair enough, and GL no matter what you choose to do.

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visconteprimus: Farewell, I think I won't come back here.
Eh, you could still post here and talk about games...the forums still work somewhat(duct tape works well, it seems ;)) atm. :)
Posted March 17, 2020
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amok: but yes, as I have always said, it is silly to prefer stores. the games are what is important - where you get them is not
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Timboli: If you have been wondering why I haven't been responding directly to you, it is because I cannot take your intellect seriously, after a silly statement like that. It ignores so many important facts that impact.

Enjoy your gaming. :)
To be honest, I did not care if you replied or not. But, yeah, I can see that caring more about the games than the store you buy them from is silly.

and also - it makes sense to insult somebody's intelligence if you can not respond to the points made. Thank you for telling me what kind of person you are, so I will just put you on my ignore list. Have a good one.
Post edited March 17, 2020 by amok
Posted March 17, 2020
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amok: and also - it makes sense to insult somebody's intelligence if you can not respond to the points made. Thank you for telling me what kind of person you are, so I will just put you on my ignore list. Have a good one.
And calling us all silly wasn't insulting us.
Thanks for doing that, I look forward to it.
Over and Out. :)
Posted March 17, 2020
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rojimboo: Yet they forgot about the people who can't/don't want to use Galaxy...
No one forgot about them, we're just in awe of the ridiculousness of it.

"I want GOG to provide a program that can download installers."
"They do."
"Yes, but I don't want to use it."
"You don't have to if you don't want to, you can download with the browser or a third party downloader."
"But I want GOG to provide one."
"They do."
"Yes, but I don't want to use it."
"You don't have to if you don't want to, you can download with the browser or a third party downloader."
"But I want GOG to provide one."
"They do."
"Yes, but I don't want to use it."
"You don't have to if you don't want to, you can download with the browser or a third party downloader."
"But I want GOG to provide one."

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visconteprimus: Totally.
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blotunga: I think gogrepo is far better than the downloader ever was.
I'm fine as long as GOG allows http based downloads.
This sums up my position really.

Galaxy does what the Downloader did about as well as it did. GOGrepo outperforms both and as you say, as long as http downloads are available there's no problem.
Post edited March 17, 2020 by SirPrimalform
Posted March 17, 2020
Well, no doubt because I didn't want to know, I wasn't paying attention to the date.

But on checking my library I see the GOG Downloader links have gone from each library game page. No small undertaking I believe, though maybe automated to some degree.

I wonder how long before the work in doing that, equals the work for just adding GOG Downloader links for all the new games. Quite a while I imagine, so another false dichotomy.

Clearly I could go on here and even elsewhere ranting at GOG, but what's the point. And even though I know they are counting on us doing that eventually, still I cannot see the point, and they will just have to suffer the impact of what they have done to me and others in silence, but perhaps deadly ... at least as far as I am concerned.

Anyway, as I have said elsewhere, maybe the Universe is telling me to cut back spending. It now seems a good time to heed that.

That said, depending on price (needs to be even cheaper now), I will no doubt still buy the odd game.

So that means I need to be practical and come up with a download solution, that doesn't involve Galaxy. The only other option is the browser links of course, and something like Free Download Manager 5 and then Inno Setup to check each download's integrity for archiving. That will no doubt mean me making a program to simplify doing so. At the moment I am not sure how painful this extra will be, but I now have no choice, as Galaxy is just unacceptable. Being the good bloke I am, I will probably share my program.

P.S. But don't think I won't still complain from time to time, as I certainly will. And as part of my response to this new situation, I will refrain from ever defending GOG or promoting them ... free games aside maybe. At the moment, I am left feeling abused.
Post edited March 17, 2020 by Timboli
Posted March 17, 2020
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rojimboo: Yet they forgot about the people who can't/don't want to use Galaxy...
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SirPrimalform: No one forgot about them, we're just in awe of the ridiculousness of it.

"I want GOG to provide a program that can download installers."
"They do."
"Yes, but I don't want to use it."
"You don't have to if you don't want to, you can download with the browser or a third party downloader."
"But I want GOG to provide one."
"They do."
"Yes, but I don't want to use it."
"You don't have to if you don't want to, you can download with the browser or a third party downloader."
"But I want GOG to provide one."
"They do."
"Yes, but I don't want to use it."
"You don't have to if you don't want to, you can download with the browser or a third party downloader."
"But I want GOG to provide one."
Heh.

If only any of that applied to linux users...who literally cannot use Galaxy as the client has no linux version.

As for the rest - you *can* download with a browser, but that experience is so awful, it's clear GOG wants you to use Galaxy. Which again is not available to me, so I have to use the browser. Which is atrocious.

So you see (hopefully) why the request to improve upon the browser downloads, or let the GOG downloader exist or even improve upon it, or pay the guys doing the 3rd party tools something or at least pin their threads on these forums so people can realise there is an alternative, is appropriate.

And that's all I was saying.
Posted March 17, 2020
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Timboli: Is Galaxy bundled in those installers?
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amrit9037: The web installer is included in it which is ticked by default.
That's not true. It was the case for a while, but for at least two years now Galaxy is no longer bundled with the offline installers.
Posted March 17, 2020
PLEASE! DON'T ABANDON GOG.COM DOWNLOADER! -NOR NETHER- GOG GALAXY 1.2! PLEASE!

I prefer and still use GOG.com Downloader for my Game Backup Copies.

My internet is atrocious, it's so unreliable, downloads that are more than 4GB in size always fail the first time.

And my internet-plan has a hard data-cap, I can spend THREE DAYS downloading a SINGLE GAME, only for it to fail after the 95% mark. and for my trouble I've flushed 1/4 of my monthly data down the toilet.

FAILED AND CORRUPT DOWNLOADS ARE ACTUALLY COSTING ME MONEY!

Not only that, but GOG.com Downloader is more secure & reliable than any web-browser AND it's also the fastest
method. It's even faster than GOG Galaxy a majority of the time.

AND on top of all that, I use GOG.com Downloader to verify ALL of my downloads, GOG Galaxy can't even do that.

P.S. Every web-browser download that ever completed, ALWAYS had corrupt sectors or just whole blocks
of data just missing. ( I Always double checked with WinMergeU. )

PLEASE! DON'T ABANDON GOG.COM DOWNLOADER! -NOR NETHER- GOG GALAXY 1.2! PLEASE!
Posted March 17, 2020
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Timboli: But on checking my library I see the GOG Downloader links have gone from each library game page. No small undertaking I believe, though maybe automated to some degree.
Surely you jest. You don't seriously think that every single game page in your library is written manually? It's a standard template and the information and links for each game come from a database. Deleting the links is as simple as removing the GOG Downloader links from the template.

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rojimboo: Heh.

If only any of that applied to linux users...who literally cannot use Galaxy as the client has no linux version.

As for the rest - you *can* download with a browser, but that experience is so awful, it's clear GOG wants you to use Galaxy. Which again is not available to me, so I have to use the browser. Which is atrocious.

So you see (hopefully) why the request to improve upon the browser downloads, or let the GOG downloader exist or even improve upon it, or pay the guys doing the 3rd party tools something or at least pin their threads on these forums so people can realise there is an alternative, is appropriate.

And that's all I was saying.
Are you saying that the GOG Downloader did work on Linux? I wasn't aware that it did.

Have you not tried any of the several download scripts available? They are better than the GOG Downloader ever was.
Post edited March 17, 2020 by SirPrimalform
Posted March 17, 2020
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rjbuffchix: Ok great, now please look at it from the consumer point of view. There are consumers here who don't even know what an API is. Why should I as a consumer care about GOG's frameworks and APIs? I am not seeing the benefit to me as a consumer. By contrast, I do see the benefit to me as a consumer from Downloader existing.
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amok: I am so glad that what you got out og my post was "I don't know what API is"...
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With all due respect, you're missing my point. To put it another way, GOG making changes "under the hood" doesn't show any clear value for the customer. Taking away something useful to the customer compounds this issue. In the customer's eyes, the site looks basically the same, but is now missing a feature that was working up to today.
Posted March 17, 2020
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SirPrimalform: Are you saying that the GOG Downloader did work on Linux? I wasn't aware that it did.

Have you not tried any of the several download scripts available? They are better than the GOG Downloader ever was.
You're right - the GOG Downloader was windows only.

My point was that even though there are really good alternatives like lgogdownloader, they are managed by one person, who does it for free, and yet he manages a better job at it than GOG, who is unable to provide us with a better way to download offline installers apart from the browser.

The existence of unofficial tools and scripts is really great - without them I would be stuck using the horrible browser method, as Galaxy is not an option. And I'm sure those guys can speak for themselves, they don't need me or anyone else around talking about this stuff, so sorry about that. But why does GOG rely on the goodwill of these few developers to provide users and customers with a well functioning tool, that should have been provided by GOG themselves?

It's more of a general stance on - should a company rely on the community to fix and even support the issues with their software? Or take some responsibility and provide a decent service for the paying customers? What would happen if we lost those tools? What would we use? Please don't say the sadistic browser method...

My humble requests are just these
1. Provide better downloading service and functionality of offline installers
2. That's it.

This can be either accomplished by
a) Improving the browser method
b) Providing an official, supported method for Windows, Linux and Mac users
c) Providing a linux version of Galaxy
Posted March 17, 2020
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rojimboo: You're right - the GOG Downloader was windows only.

My point was that even though there are really good alternatives like lgogdownloader, they are managed by one person, who does it for free, and yet he manages a better job at it than GOG, who is unable to provide us with a better way to download offline installers apart from the browser.

The existence of unofficial tools and scripts is really great - without them I would be stuck using the horrible browser method, as Galaxy is not an option. And I'm sure those guys can speak for themselves, they don't need me or anyone else around talking about this stuff, so sorry about that. But why does GOG rely on the goodwill of these few developers to provide users and customers with a well functioning tool, that should have been provided by GOG themselves?

It's more of a general stance on - should a company rely on the community to fix and even support the issues with their software? Or take some responsibility and provide a decent service for the paying customers? What would happen if we lost those tools? What would we use? Please don't say the sadistic browser method...

My humble requests are just these
1. Provide better downloading service and functionality of offline installers
2. That's it.

This can be either accomplished by
a) Improving the browser method
b) Providing an official, supported method for Windows, Linux and Mac users
c) Providing a linux version of Galaxy
In that case I agree with you, but I see GOG's neglect of Linux users as a separate issue.

I apologise for lumping you in with those who can use Galaxy but refuse to, demanding a separate program that duplicates functionality already provided by Galaxy.

In your case there was no GOG downloader and is no Galaxy and that is a ridiculous situation for GOG to leave you in.
Post edited March 17, 2020 by SirPrimalform
Posted March 17, 2020
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amok: Yes, they officially discontinued it. However, they made the new game API's compatible with it, and did indeed provide some updates during this periode, but the main aide was that it was going to be phased out.
What happened now is that they no longer make sure that the new games added have an API compatible with the old donwloader.
What? They did not update the Downloader anymore at all. All they did was including GOG Downloader links to each new game site they added. What is this game API you are talking about? There is no API that needs to be made compatible with the GOG Downloader - all GOG Downloader needs to download is a link. Reading your post let people think that GOG needsd to do additional work to the games they provide so that people can still download them via Downloader and that just is not true. GOG Downloader is downloading the exact same offline installer you can download via website - it's just another way that some consider to be more easy.
Posted March 18, 2020
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AussieDevil_3142: And my internet-plan has a hard data-cap, I can spend THREE DAYS downloading a SINGLE GAME, only for it to fail after the 95% mark. and for my trouble I've flushed 1/4 of my monthly data down the toilet.
This I sympathize with(an actual good reason to complain about GOG's decision)...if it helps I listed some suggestions from others in post 130 of the other thread(the one made by GOG)....and also others have said one can also try using browser DL manager extensions as well.

As for GOG? It seems they are set on this, and everyone else has to use an alternative....as such I hope one of those
suggestions can help.
Posted March 18, 2020
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My humble requests are just these
1. Provide better downloading service and functionality of offline installers
2. That's it.

This can be either accomplished by
a) Improving the browser method
b) Providing an official, supported method for Windows, Linux and Mac users
c) Providing a linux version of Galaxy
Love this(the whole thing quoted here, but especially the bolded bit), and this is very reasonable...agreed 100%
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