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Gersen: The question is what is the solution ? Not sell a 50+ hours RPG (or an 100+ hours space sim in case of X4) because of a bunch of optional cosmetics require an online check ? Or sell the game here but without said optional cosmetics (which is basically what was done before Galaxy and is basically what you get now if you use the offline installers)
Or maybe the solution is 3. Stop insulting everyone's intelligence by pretending that a DRM-Free offline release with "separate" pre-order content locked online is done for entirely non arbitrary reasons, and include same pre-order bonuses as part of the main game as has been done with other past releases like Bioshock Infinite, DX:HR, etc? And then educate the publisher that "Pre-order bonuses" literally promote piracy in the sense that if stores refuse to sell content beyond completely arbitrary time-limit as a "reward" for making an uninformed purchase decision (pre-ordering) whilst punishing other customers making an informed one (waiting for reviews), then can you guess who else will continue to bundle same bonus content in offline games for everyone without DRM? That's right, the pirate groups. After 13 years of "paying customers should not get an inferior product to pirates" as originally promoted by GOG's founders, we're amusingly heading back to exactly that in some new GOG games themselves...

Between this short-sighted, self-destructive cr*p and the 4-6 week wait time for refunds due to a woefully under-staffed customer services dept, regardless of what GOG end up doing with this game specifically, the only thing I'm being convinced of right now is to never buy / pre-order any newer games that come to GOG until other people have confirmed they're not "defective by design".
Post edited January 24, 2021 by AB2012
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Truth007: Actually it is gog's fault since it's their store.
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KetobaK: We have to remember that everything is human work in GOG, people can mistake or overlook some things, they create a lot of games installers and update a lot of games too everyday, and are a really small team for that task, the important is that they are trying to fix it, even if it is a small thing. So it's more their mistake that their fault.
For example, if you have a market and I (as a yougurt producer) sell you expired yogurt, knowing that it has expired, I do not warn you, and you sell it, it is not your fault but my. The correct is that you
We are long, LONG part the point of giving GOG the benefit of the doubt. They are well aware of the DRM in No Man's Sky, and have done nothing about it, CDPR locked cosmetics behind Galaxy in CP2077... at this point, they are complicit.
Apparently GOG doesn't care enough to either vet this stuff or even bother to care. Really seems like all they care about is the bottom line only and not their mission statement. Principles be damned when money is on the line.

How exactly can they declare this a store front for gamers again?
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EnforcerSunWoo: How exactly can they declare this a store front for gamers again?
Well, that all depends on what they mean by gamers.
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EnforcerSunWoo: How exactly can they declare this a store front for gamers again?
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ReynardFox: Well, that all depends on what they mean by gamers.
Very good point. Who knows what the hell they are thinking anymore.

The way things have been going around here, real change would only happen if a few upper-management heads would roll. As of right now, it almost seems like the Titanic with the iceberg dead ahead and nobody willing to change course, even though there would be enough time.
Post edited January 24, 2021 by EnforcerSunWoo
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EnforcerSunWoo: Apparently GOG doesn't care enough to either vet this stuff or even bother to care. Really seems like all they care about is the bottom line only and not their mission statement. Principles be damned when money is on the line.

How exactly can they declare this a store front for gamers again?
Well, they officially stated that they decided not to release Devotion, because 'many gamers' asked them not to release it. So 'gamers' in GOG-speak means the Chinese government.
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EnforcerSunWoo: Apparently GOG doesn't care enough to either vet this stuff or even bother to care. Really seems like all they care about is the bottom line only and not their mission statement. Principles be damned when money is on the line.

How exactly can they declare this a store front for gamers again?
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Lifthrasil: Well, they officially stated that they decided not to release Devotion, because 'many gamers' asked them not to release it. So 'gamers' in GOG-speak means the Chinese government.
Oh, I am aware. It is just which "gamers" are they referring to when it comes to the store front and not that bullshit statement?
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Gersen: The question is what is the solution ?

Not sell a 50+ hours RPG (or an 100+ hours space sim in case of X4) because of a bunch of optional cosmetics require an online check ?
Yes, that is the correct solution. Because it maintains the credibility of GOG's DRM-free policy and sends a clear message to the developer that any DRM is unacceptable and they need to remove it, if they want to continue to sell the game here.
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Gersen: The question is what is the solution ?

Not sell a 50+ hours RPG (or an 100+ hours space sim in case of X4) because of a bunch of optional cosmetics require an online check ?
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Time4Tea: Yes, that is the correct solution. Because it maintains the credibility of GOG's DRM-free policy and sends a clear message to the developer that any DRM is unacceptable and they need to remove it, if they want to continue to sell the game here.
I don't think gog will do that because for a few years they already had galaxy or 3rd party account required for online portions of certain games which is worse if you ask me. If they was going to change any of it(in terms of allowing them) then it would have happened a while ago.
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Time4Tea: Yes, that is the correct solution. Because it maintains the credibility of GOG's DRM-free policy and sends a clear message to the developer that any DRM is unacceptable and they need to remove it, if they want to continue to sell the game here.
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Truth007: I don't think gog will do that because for a few years they already had galaxy or 3rd party account required for online portions of certain games which is worse if you ask me. If they was going to change any of it(in terms of allowing them) then it would have happened a while ago.
This is why, imo, we need to make a stand and demand they change course now, before it is too late. After all, they have already shown that, if 'many gamers' (definition to be determined) demand something, they will comply.
Just check my ticket and I recived an update yesterday, the responsible GOG department already contacted the game representatives in InExile, like a said, they are trying to help.
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KetobaK: Just check my ticket and I recived an update yesterday, the responsible GOG department already contacted the game representatives in InExile, like a said, they are trying to help.
I hope that goes better than last time, when they contacted No Man‘s Sky developers, because up until now exactly nothing happened there.
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KetobaK: Just check my ticket and I recived an update yesterday, the responsible GOG department already contacted the game representatives in InExile, like a said, they are trying to help.
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john_hatcher: I hope that goes better than last time, when they contacted No Man‘s Sky developers, because up until now exactly nothing happened there.
Let's cross our fingers, also is good to send a direct message to InExile Support to let them know we are against this activities, there is no need of be disrespectful, just a few words like "please remove the DRM of Wasteland 3 DLC on GOG" or "we can't accept DRM on GOG, remove the online check on Wasteland 3 DLC", that will help a lot!!!
That Wasteland and CP2077 do this means that Galaxy has built into it a "check if own" mechanism. They need to remove that entirely. If it's not there, it can't be used as DRM. And there's absolutely no non-nefarious reason to use this.

I ran into this previously, actually -- my husband and I share a living room laptop [a secondary computer for each of us]. I'd installed a game on it from my profile, he'd started playing it in his profile. It refused to track achievements in his profile because it does an ownership check. He ended up buying the game himself (because he loved the game) and it "magically" started to track them. That's not how it should work at all. If Galaxy recognizes the game and it has the achievement hooks in it, track them. There should never be a "is owned?" check -- because that's what crosses the line into being DRM.
Post edited February 02, 2021 by mqstout
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Guys, good news, as GOG Support said, they have fixed the game and now you can access the pre order bonus content without any problems!!! Thanks to GOG Support Staff that help me with this and for their amazing work!!! DRM FREE FOREVER!!!!
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KetobaK: Just check my ticket and I recived an update yesterday, the responsible GOG department already contacted the game representatives in InExile, like a said, they are trying to help.
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john_hatcher: I hope that goes better than last time, when they contacted No Man‘s Sky developers, because up until now exactly nothing happened there.
It's solved!!! Hey, can you post that the problem is solved? I can't mark my own answer as a solution :P
Post edited February 02, 2021 by KetobaK