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Posted April 07, 2016
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cogadh: If porn gets behind VR, I may have to change my stance on getting ready for it. No, not because I want VR porn, but because every major new media format that has been a success was first adopted by porn.
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Wishbone: The problem is that you can't really make VR porn any other way than by 3D animation, which is expensive as hell. "Normal" porn made with cameras will have to stick to one of two things, stereoscopic 3D or 6 DOF, but not both since that's impossible to do other than by 3D animation. I'm guessing it'll stick mostly to stereoscopic 3D, because 6 DOF only makes sense for porn if you place the camera in the middle of an orgy.
There is a 3rd option of a voxel movie. Its still tech in development, but would allow you to walk around a 3D orgy.

Multiple cameras and a shed load of processing can capture the scene as a voxel movie.

The main issues are

Low resolution. Voxels in the test movies I've seen are big, a childs head fitted inside a 100x100x100 cube. Of course this is a current limitation and will rapidly improve.

File size. Are massive, and would grow exponentially with resolution.

Dark areas. Any where not caught by camera can't be presented.
Posted April 07, 2016
If VR and I are still alive in 10 years, I might give it a whirl.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by lepke1979
Posted April 07, 2016
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cogadh: If porn gets behind VR
Does creating VR goggle movies need some kind of special 360 degree cameras or something? I was just thinking that most porn these days seem to be some low quality gonzo porn, quite often made by total amateurs at their homes etc (or so my friends tell me... :)), so I'd figure only a small number of porn "movies" would be VR-ready.

Or do the VR goggles make old (porn) movies more immersive as well, making it look like John Holmes' humongous dick is about to hit your face so you duck instinctively?

Then again, maybe that would see a revival of commercial porn movies, but somehow I feel nowadays most people are so accustomed of internet being full of free porn, just like they are accustomed to cheap Steam sales or free-to-play mobile games. Also I'm unsure if people want to wear VR goggles while they are jerking off.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by timppu
Posted April 07, 2016
For VR we are looking at a screen 1cm from your face and head tracking?

I see loads of problem playing anything that is not a very simple game.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by OldOldGamer
Posted April 07, 2016
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timppu: I'm unsure if people want to wear VR goggles while they are jerking off.
Imagine someone coming in and you not even noticing.
Posted April 07, 2016
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timppu: I'm unsure if people want to wear VR goggles while they are jerking off.
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omega64: Imagine someone coming in and you not even noticing.
Or you missing the tissue and hitting the cat instead. Then you'll have to wash the whole cat in a washing machine.
Posted April 07, 2016
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omega64: Imagine someone coming in and you not even noticing.
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timppu: Or you missing the tissue and hitting the cat instead. Then you'll have to wash the whole cat in a washing machine.
You might want to reference the manual before that. Perhaps there's a VR version of the manual.
It would be really weird if while you were wanking someone walked in and you just kept wanking due to not noticing. xD
Post edited April 07, 2016 by omega64
Posted April 07, 2016
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Wishbone: The problem is that you can't really make VR porn any other way than by 3D animation, which is expensive as hell. "Normal" porn made with cameras will have to stick to one of two things, stereoscopic 3D or 6 DOF, but not both since that's impossible to do other than by 3D animation. I'm guessing it'll stick mostly to stereoscopic 3D, because 6 DOF only makes sense for porn if you place the camera in the middle of an orgy.
For a start, VR porn will be like any 360 movie, which (apart from the low res) already opens up new possibilities. I agree that it will be more interesting with multiple action scenes happening simultaneously (doesn't need to be an orgy, just more than two people), and I guess that's a direction it would take.

As for free form VR, there's technology today to convert video from multiple cameras into a 3D scene you can move through (example: Replay). Would require more development, but I'm sure that something like this could be used effectively in porn.
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timppu: Then again, maybe that would see a revival of commercial porn movies, but somehow I feel nowadays most people are so accustomed of internet being full of free porn, just like they are accustomed to cheap Steam sales or free-to-play mobile games.
It's quite common for industries to live on "whales", where the basic content is free, but if you want something better or more specific you pay, and some people are willing to pay a lot.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by ET3D
Posted April 07, 2016
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Wishbone: The problem is that you can't really make VR porn any other way than by 3D animation, which is expensive as hell. "Normal" porn made with cameras will have to stick to one of two things, stereoscopic 3D or 6 DOF, but not both since that's impossible to do other than by 3D animation. I'm guessing it'll stick mostly to stereoscopic 3D, because 6 DOF only makes sense for porn if you place the camera in the middle of an orgy.
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mechmouse: There is a 3rd option of a voxel movie. Its still tech in development, but would allow you to walk around a 3D orgy.

Multiple cameras and a shed load of processing can capture the scene as a voxel movie.

The main issues are

Low resolution. Voxels in the test movies I've seen are big, a childs head fitted inside a 100x100x100 cube. Of course this is a current limitation and will rapidly improve.

File size. Are massive, and would grow exponentially with resolution.

Dark areas. Any where not caught by camera can't be presented.
That is not using the camera as a camera however. It is equivalent to motion capture (combined with 3D scanning). It will still require runtime rendering, not simply playback. Everything will need to be represented as 3D data.
Posted April 07, 2016
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Wishbone: I'm guessing that's a US thing? I've never heard of anything like that.
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cogadh: You're not the only one, it ain't a "US thing", or at least it is not a common thing.
Like this company: https://www.gametruckparty.com/
Posted April 07, 2016
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ET3D: For a start, VR porn will be like any 360 movie, which (apart from the low res) already opens up new possibilities. I agree that it will be more interesting with multiple action scenes happening simultaneously (doesn't need to be an orgy, just more than two people), and I guess that's a direction it would take.

As for free form VR, there's technology today to convert video from multiple cameras into a 3D scene you can move through (example: Replay). Would require more development, but I'm sure that something like this could be used effectively in porn.
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timppu: Then again, maybe that would see a revival of commercial porn movies, but somehow I feel nowadays most people are so accustomed of internet being full of free porn, just like they are accustomed to cheap Steam sales or free-to-play mobile games.
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ET3D: It's quite common for industries to live on "whales", where the basic content is free, but if you want something better or more specific you pay, and some people are willing to pay a lot.
I'm sorry, but I just came across this image, and given the current discussion, I couldn't not post it here.

Disclaimer: This is probably NSFW (it isn't porn, though).

Behold! The future of VR porn!
Posted April 07, 2016
Yeah, and I get shit for posting pics of Lego porn!
Posted April 07, 2016
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Wishbone: Behold! The future of VR porn!
Nope, it's this one
Posted April 07, 2016
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cogadh: If porn gets behind VR
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timppu: Does creating VR goggle movies need some kind of special 360 degree cameras or something? I was just thinking that most porn these days seem to be some low quality gonzo porn, quite often made by total amateurs at their homes etc (or so my friends tell me... :)), so I'd figure only a small number of porn "movies" would be VR-ready.

Or do the VR goggles make old (porn) movies more immersive as well, making it look like John Holmes' humongous dick is about to hit your face so you duck instinctively?

Then again, maybe that would see a revival of commercial porn movies, but somehow I feel nowadays most people are so accustomed of internet being full of free porn, just like they are accustomed to cheap Steam sales or free-to-play mobile games. Also I'm unsure if people want to wear VR goggles while they are jerking off.
Where did you get the idea commercial porn needed a revival? Sure, free amateur porn has impacted it, but commercial porn is still a $10 billion a year business. As for how VR will be used by porn, I would expect most of it would be first-person POV movies, filmed with normal cameras, enhanced with "personal enjoyment" accessories (think Fleshlight connected to your PC). With older porn, I would expect none of it to be VR compatible, but that doesn't mean VR can't be used to watch it. Non-porn services like Hulu and Netflix are already planning "VR theater" apps that allow you to watch non-VR content in virtual locations, no reason porn companies can't do the same.
Posted April 07, 2016
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cogadh: Non-porn services like Hulu and Netflix are already planning "VR theater" apps that allow you to watch non-VR content in virtual locations, no reason porn companies can't do the same.
Oculus already has that. I wouldn't recommend it at the current resolutions though. Sure, you can watch a FullHD movie on a big screen TV from a couch in a log cabin atop a snow covered mountain, but once you figure out how much of the display is wasted on overscan edges and background, it turns out you're actually watching a movie in about 240p. Personally I'd rather watch it in full resolution on my own TV from my own couch. What's the point of watching a movie in exotic surroundings? You're watching a movie. If it's a movie worth watching, you shouldn't even be aware of your surroundings.
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