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PookaMustard: Interesting way to put it. I seriously hope that it isn't as you see it yourself, the most that can be offered to us. Because if it is so, that isn't going to help a lot. DRM-free needs to win, and only a small step isn't sufficient.
It strikes me as very calculated. It removes the immediate injustice, but doesn't in any way benefit the advancement of DRM-free at all. All it does is help preserve a small number of older games. That is not to say that this is the only battle out there to win. But I think that this particular path has reached its conclusion.
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PookaMustard: Interesting way to put it. I seriously hope that it isn't as you see it yourself, the most that can be offered to us. Because if it is so, that isn't going to help a lot. DRM-free needs to win, and only a small step isn't sufficient.
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Navagon: It strikes me as very calculated. It removes the immediate injustice, but doesn't in any way benefit the advancement of DRM-free at all. All it does is help preserve a small number of older games. That is not to say that this is the only battle out there to win. But I think that this particular path has reached its conclusion.
The biggest problem is the customer votes with their wallet to allow DRM, even in GoG itself we have customers that say they don't mind Always Online DRM. Thats the main reason DRM free cannot win.

DRM free can only win when shit happens, like some hackers breaks all the authenticating servers and customers realize that their game is worthless now. They are currently blindfold by their love for the game / publisher.

But looking the future where technology advance so "Big Brother" watch is absolute, and you cannot escape being online unless you settle for old technology ......
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Klumpen0815: Comparing 100% online multiplayer games with games that have a strong single player mode is a complete fail.
I've never heard anybody complain about always online DRM in any MMORPG.

So why exactly are you on GoG then?
Games are usually cheaper on Steam.
Because I have games here. Simple answer for stupid question.
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Gnostic: So you claim the same for Diablo 3?

Oh my, the console owners of Diablo 3 is having a inferior version! So sad for them.

Yes, Always Online is a feature for MMORPG, but what that got to do with games that does not need Always Online DRM? Except the publisher like cramming it down to the customers throat?
Diablo 3 is getting to its current state thanks to Always Online DRM.

Unlike idiots who claim otherwise, I've been playing it for thousand hours, I know what I'm talking about.
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Klumpen0815: Comparing 100% online multiplayer games with games that have a strong single player mode is a complete fail.
I've never heard anybody complain about always online DRM in any MMORPG.

So why exactly are you on GoG then?
Games are usually cheaper on Steam.
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zeroxxx: Because I have games here. Simple answer for stupid question.
Nice insult!
No, legitimate question and offensive answer.

Why do you have games here when they are cheaper on Steam and you don't care about DRM-free?
Were they all gifted?
Post edited November 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: Why do you have games here when they are cheaper on Steam and you don't care about DRM-free?
Were they all gifted?
There are other reasons to like GOG :
- Mostly good games, so I know the games showcased here will have some interest
- Old games THAT WORK out of the box (my oldies purchases on Steam, like the old UFO/XCOM have been pretty disappointing on that front, with bugs and artefacts)
- The ease of use of the installers when you have several computers with different internet speed (OK, linked to DRM free, but they would still be pretty awesome even with some form of autentification)

Overall, GOG is a nice store with plenty of selling points, even without the whole DRM free "revolution" angle. :)
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Navagon: It strikes me as very calculated. It removes the immediate injustice, but doesn't in any way benefit the advancement of DRM-free at all. All it does is help preserve a small number of older games. That is not to say that this is the only battle out there to win. But I think that this particular path has reached its conclusion.
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Gnostic: The biggest problem is the customer votes with their wallet to allow DRM, even in GoG itself we have customers that say they don't mind Always Online DRM. Thats the main reason DRM free cannot win.

DRM free can only win when shit happens, like some hackers breaks all the authenticating servers and customers realize that their game is worthless now. They are currently blindfold by their love for the game / publisher.

But looking the future where technology advance so "Big Brother" watch is absolute, and you cannot escape being online unless you settle for old technology ......
Maybe 'blindness' is true for some but not for all. I'd say most people fully understand what Steam is and how games are tied to the steam client. Having a hacker bring down their servers won't prove anything. It doesn't prove the games are worthless because nobody can tell you what will really happen to the libraries if Steam servers go offline (long term like a bankruptcy).

The biggest argument that Steam has over the DRM-Free crown isn't how many games it sells, it's sales or even the number of concurrent users. The biggest argument is it's reliability. The average person using Steam never has any issue accessing their games at any time. The times that the Steam servers are down are not for any length of time and even so, there is offline mode to access most games anyway. It's like what I posted earlier, people will care more about DRM-Free when there are tangible reasons to buy into it.
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synfresh: The biggest argument that Steam has over the DRM-Free crown isn't how many games it sells, it's sales or even the number of concurrent users. The biggest argument is it's reliability. The average person using Steam never has any issue accessing their games at any time. The times that the Steam servers are down are not for any length of time and even so, there is offline mode to access most games anyway. It's like what I posted earlier, people will care more about DRM-Free when there are tangible reasons to buy into it.
As someone who was an average user myself, Steam's servers are almost halfway down (why does Steam going down never hit the news but PSN and XBLN do? Its that reason), offline mode is a broken mess, whatever. Aren't DRM-free games in a sense, more reliable? They're always available regardless of whether GOG, Desura or whatever is down or online, and they never even have such an excuse as an 'offline mode', they simply run offline and online flawlessly. Isn't that more reliable than having your games' life tied to a third party who don't even know what the heck they're doing recently?
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synfresh: The biggest argument that Steam has over the DRM-Free crown isn't how many games it sells, it's sales or even the number of concurrent users. The biggest argument is it's reliability. The average person using Steam never has any issue accessing their games at any time. The times that the Steam servers are down are not for any length of time and even so, there is offline mode to access most games anyway. It's like what I posted earlier, people will care more about DRM-Free when there are tangible reasons to buy into it.
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PookaMustard: As someone who was an average user myself, Steam's servers are almost halfway down (why does Steam going down never hit the news but PSN and XBLN do? Its that reason), offline mode is a broken mess, whatever. Aren't DRM-free games in a sense, more reliable? They're always available regardless of whether GOG, Desura or whatever is down or online, and they never even have such an excuse as an 'offline mode', they simply run offline and online flawlessly. Isn't that more reliable than having your games' life tied to a third party who don't even know what the heck they're doing recently?
in the (over?) 10 years I have had Steam ,which includes month long trips in the mountains with no connection and work where Steam is blocked - I have had no problems at all ever with offline mode. I understand some do, but for the majority of users it works as intended. I also understand that you had some problems, and I understand that it can be frustrating. However, it is far from a broken mess, as it works for most people. It is a bit like saying gOg is a broken mess because some users sometimes have problems with their accounts.
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amok: in the (over?) 10 years I have had Steam ,which includes month long trips in the mountains with no connection and work where Steam is blocked - I have had no problems at all ever with offline mode. I understand some do, but for the majority of users it works as intended. I also understand that you had some problems, and I understand that it can be frustrating. However, it is far from a broken mess, as it works for most people. It is a bit like saying gOg is a broken mess because some users sometimes have problems with their accounts.
-> me opens steam without internet
-> steam tells me I'm not connected to the internet, and there is only an ok button

This is what happens usually when I try going into offline mode. And remember... offline mode assumes you are online! So if you get an offline installation of Steam running without your account, you're screwed. If you didn't go to offline mode while logged in to your account and online, you're screwed. And seriously, I wouldn't trust Steam with even a day without an internet connection if the day comes I happen to reinstall it again, mainly because I hear that Steam could reset your login credentials or actually even refuse to log you in even when the login credentials are still not reset. Steam by itself is a broken mess, patched up to look barely okay from the outside but it looks ugly from the inside. Kinda like Final Fantasy VI's programming. It should work for EVERYONE not 'most'.

Ahh. Another reason why I switched full-on here.
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PookaMustard: As someone who was an average user myself, Steam's servers are almost halfway down (why does Steam going down never hit the news but PSN and XBLN do? Its that reason), offline mode is a broken mess, whatever. Aren't DRM-free games in a sense, more reliable? They're always available regardless of whether GOG, Desura or whatever is down or online, and they never even have such an excuse as an 'offline mode', they simply run offline and online flawlessly. Isn't that more reliable than having your games' life tied to a third party who don't even know what the heck they're doing recently?
One of the best things about the DRM free stores is, that I can always pack my things and go even if the service is still running. The conditions in contracts seem to change arbitrarily these days and I want to be able to get out if the changes are unacceptable.
I'm not bound to GoG but here out of my own free will and can change my mind any time.
Galaxy is still a threat to this freedom imho, let's just hope that it stays optional.
I've decided to stay on GoG but do not buy regionally priced games as a compromise,
Most people don't do this with Steam, because their collection or at least a big chunk is tied to it and that's one of the reasons why I've never even started buying games there.
Post edited November 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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amok: in the (over?) 10 years I have had Steam ,which includes month long trips in the mountains with no connection and work where Steam is blocked - I have had no problems at all ever with offline mode. I understand some do, but for the majority of users it works as intended. I also understand that you had some problems, and I understand that it can be frustrating. However, it is far from a broken mess, as it works for most people. It is a bit like saying gOg is a broken mess because some users sometimes have problems with their accounts.
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PookaMustard: -> me opens steam without internet
-> steam tells me I'm not connected to the internet, and there is only an ok button

This is what happens usually when I try going into offline mode. And remember... offline mode assumes you are online! So if you get an offline installation of Steam running without your account, you're screwed. If you didn't go to offline mode while logged in to your account and online, you're screwed. And seriously, I wouldn't trust Steam with even a day without an internet connection if the day comes I happen to reinstall it again, mainly because I hear that Steam could reset your login credentials or actually even refuse to log you in even when the login credentials are still not reset. Steam by itself is a broken mess, patched up to look barely okay from the outside but it looks ugly from the inside. Kinda like Final Fantasy VI's programming. It should work for EVERYONE not 'most'.

Ahh. Another reason why I switched full-on here.
ah, good. gOg is a broken mess. The accounts sometimes do not work for everyone.... In fact, I think we can say that apart from death and gravity, which will work for everyone, everything else is a broken mess.

edit - kinda sums up life quite nicely, I think.
Post edited November 26, 2015 by amok
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amok: ah, good. gOg is a broken mess. The accounts sometimes do not work for everyone.... In fact, I think we can say that apart from death and gravity, which will work for everyone, everything else is a broken mess.

edit - kinda sums up life quite nicely, I think.
edit - "i have no proper response to this"
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amok: ah, good. gOg is a broken mess. The accounts sometimes do not work for everyone.... In fact, I think we can say that apart from death and gravity, which will work for everyone, everything else is a broken mess.

edit - kinda sums up life quite nicely, I think.
So no-one else is having problems with gravity..... I best return 'c' back to is default setting.
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amok: ah, good. gOg is a broken mess. The accounts sometimes do not work for everyone.... In fact, I think we can say that apart from death and gravity, which will work for everyone, everything else is a broken mess.

edit - kinda sums up life quite nicely, I think.
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mechmouse: So no-one else is having problems with gravity..... I best return 'c' back to is default setting.
my only problem with gravity is that there is to much of it. I blame Einstein - darn you to heck, Einstein... and Newton is not innocent either. I think in fact that gravity is an Illuminati conspiracy.
Post edited November 26, 2015 by amok