Posted January 02, 2015

Oriza-Triznyák
garbage features like achievements.
Registered: Apr 2009
From Other

catpower1980
Hello World
Registered: May 2009
From Canada
Posted January 04, 2015
Itunes updated their terms&conditions apparently:
https://twitter.com/SpinstarC/status/551739819899228160
EU countries getting the same treatment as fraudsters:
https://www.sendowl.com/blog/fraud-filtering-now-available.html
https://twitter.com/SpinstarC/status/551739819899228160
EU countries getting the same treatment as fraudsters:
https://www.sendowl.com/blog/fraud-filtering-now-available.html

Rinu
Videogame Addict
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted January 07, 2015
My previous opinion as a customer was kind of laidback but after reading more on this, it is incredibly harming to smaller businesses.
A need to register as VAT payer in every single country they are selling requires a lot of administration which is something a corporation doesn't struggle so much as, let's say, an indie developer. I am very interested in a further development of this botched law.
A need to register as VAT payer in every single country they are selling requires a lot of administration which is something a corporation doesn't struggle so much as, let's say, an indie developer. I am very interested in a further development of this botched law.

djdarko
JAR JAR SHOT FIRST
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted January 07, 2015

A need to register as VAT payer in every single country they are selling requires a lot of administration which is something a corporation doesn't struggle so much as, let's say, an indie developer. I am very interested in a further development of this botched law.
I hate to say it but wouldn't it make more sense to add that tax onto the original purchasers price? Paying a couple more dollars for a product would be far less for the customer than docking me a huge accumulated amount of sales %.
I'm also curious of how they are even calculating the amounts when the purchases are directly through paypal anyway.

Rinu
Videogame Addict
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted January 07, 2015

I hate to say it but wouldn't it make more sense to add that tax onto the original purchasers price? Paying a couple more dollars for a product would be far less for the customer than docking me a huge accumulated amount of sales %.
I'm also curious of how they are even calculating the amounts when the purchases are directly through paypal anyway.
But to your suggestion - do you think a customer would be tempted to buy from you if s/he has to deal with additional tax stuff at the end of fiscal year? I doubt it. Especially if there is an alternative choice without with scrap around.
Post edited January 07, 2015 by Rinu

djdarko
JAR JAR SHOT FIRST
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted January 07, 2015

I hate to say it but wouldn't it make more sense to add that tax onto the original purchasers price? Paying a couple more dollars for a product would be far less for the customer than docking me a huge accumulated amount of sales %.
I'm also curious of how they are even calculating the amounts when the purchases are directly through paypal anyway.

But to your suggestion - do you think a customer would be tempted to buy from you if s/he has to deal with additional tax stuff at the end of fiscal year? I doubt it. Especially if there is an alternative choice without with scrap around.

Rinu
Videogame Addict
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted January 07, 2015

If the business was based in the UK or other EU country, they didn't need to register here to pay VAT.
Now it is changed that they have to pay VAT in the country of purchase (e.g. according to geo-IP or debit card) which means it needs to register there.
If you would transfer a responsibility to pay sale tax/VAT to a customer, the customer would have to deal with a ministry of finance instead of you.
I think it is safe to assume anybody who has been lucky to deal with the their hard-to-read forms and regulations (me included), does want to avoid this activity if possible. An average person who doesn't own a trade licence doesn't deal with the ministry of finance.

wpegg
Optimus Pegg
Registered: Nov 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted January 07, 2015
One of the defences GOG presented when they were trying to (and succeeded to) introduce regional prices was that they currently absorbed EU VAT charges. Why they would change it now rather than then makes no sense. They would have to put all the back end logic in whatever in order to correctly calculate taxes, but then they'd also have to wire in some UI changes to get that price fed back up to us, all for about 10p more or less (which will probably balance out), and if they did, all they'd do is introduce a tendency to either register yourself at a cheaper country, or get someone else to buy the codes.

Trilarion
New User
Registered: Jul 2010
From Germany
Posted January 08, 2015
This might be a very illusional post but it occurs to me that a uniform VAT tax rate all over EU would make life of businesses and peasants even easier. Let's say 20% because that is about the mean of them all. I know, totally illusory. Sooner hell will freeze over.

catpower1980
Hello World
Registered: May 2009
From Canada
Posted January 08, 2015
Yesterday, I was renewing a subscription service which was always 9,99€ but it went up to 12,09€ trough Google Wallet (+21% Belgian VAT). Urgh! :(

Trilarion
New User
Registered: Jul 2010
From Germany

Zoidberg
EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From Belgium
Posted January 08, 2015
Well, seems logical to me...

catpower1980
Hello World
Registered: May 2009
From Canada
Posted January 08, 2015
BTW, Is there any Italian here?
I've read a tweet of Winter Wolves this morning about some new administrative burden for Italian e-commerce but he says it's not related to new EU VAT laws. So out of curiosity, what's this? (don't want to ask him directly as he already has a rough day).
https://twitter.com/pcmacgames/status/552860030035558400
I've read a tweet of Winter Wolves this morning about some new administrative burden for Italian e-commerce but he says it's not related to new EU VAT laws. So out of curiosity, what's this? (don't want to ask him directly as he already has a rough day).
https://twitter.com/pcmacgames/status/552860030035558400
Post edited January 08, 2015 by catpower1980

RyaReisender
New User
Registered: Mar 2012
From Germany
Posted January 08, 2015
That it's easier for business really seems to be a strange reason.
Didn't they just change it so companies can no longer "cheat" by registering in a country with low or no VAT?
Or course it's harder for businesses now.
For customers... I think it's actually fairer even though it means many people have to pay more. The money you earn considers the VAT you have to pay for products in your own country after all. It's your own country that decides the VAT you have to pay after all.
Didn't they just change it so companies can no longer "cheat" by registering in a country with low or no VAT?
Or course it's harder for businesses now.
For customers... I think it's actually fairer even though it means many people have to pay more. The money you earn considers the VAT you have to pay for products in your own country after all. It's your own country that decides the VAT you have to pay after all.

Matruchus
Don't ignore Tux
Registered: Jun 2011
From Slovenia