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BKGaming: Nearly 50% of American voters voted for Trump, that is a large slice of America that put these people in the position they are in today.
At the end of the day, this is what I took away from this experience. Half the country was dissatisfied with the former administration and thought their lives should be better. Hope their decision pays off. Either way I get the feeling this election is going to be studied for a long time.
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morolf: People said that about Bush II...didn't work out that well.
Nobody said it was perfect... it however, is the general census. Never was a fan of Bush.

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morolf: And checks and balances might restrain Trump in domestic politics, but given how enthusiastic much of the US political elite has been in regards to foreign wars over the last 25 years the same might not be true for foreign policy. It's not even clear to me anyway the system still works as intended (e.g. iirc Obama didn't even seek congressional authorization for the Libyan intervention, same with the bombing campaign against IS).
I'm not going to pretend this is a simple issue... it's really really complicated. I am no expert, and anyone that tells you they are... are probably idiots. But Presidents generally have complete control over the military and have to work within established law (I believe). They can't however declare war on a country without Congress approval.

This may or may not be relevant to what you are looking for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Obama_Administration_position_on_combat_drones
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4141526/Video-appears-Bill-Clinton-ogling-Ivanka-Trump.html

Historic, indeed! That family of long line perverts, butchers (to Middle East) and NWO servants (funded by Sorros; Hilary's campaign had been funded by George Sorros, before...), are living fossils, living history! They Live (among us); the legend lives on!!!

(and imagine that they say, "Trump is womanizer")
Post edited January 21, 2017 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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Oh good, Bradley is here.

This will give the conservative some legitimacy. :P

The guy who thanked the Mafia for putting an end to crime wants to congratulate the new Prez.
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tinyE: Oh good, Bradley is here.

This will give the conservative some legitimacy. :P

The guy who thanked the Mafia for putting an end to crime wants to congratulate the new Prez.
I "thanked" the mafia before, once, that much is true. No need to do that anymore, though, since my Planetarch (and YOUR PRESIDENT ;P ) will prevent the filthy scum from ruining our homes and legally even, too. But my dear friend, i never VOTED FOR "MAFIA" TO RULE ME (or my country), like you and merry company did exactly over there, he he... Or support "mafia" while thinking she is a saint who supports your liberal bottoms (or your even worse delusion, that this was to be her only concern...). Say hello to your progressive warmongers; i mean, "goodbye"!

My regards to old Bill. There is your "pussy grabber", or to be precise, "Mr. Feeds d_ck to secretaries instead of working". And my regards to Monica, plus "reindeer" Hilary with "horns growing atop her head till the end of times".

Trump has a supermodel wife, he won't stoop so low like old Bill, to use his secretary's mouth indiscriminately, at random hours in office and during working time, even!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSEzHsEIQAALgVI.jpg
Post edited January 21, 2017 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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Erpy: You're right that congress has power too, which used to be checked by the president until today. But most of congress' influence is domestic and while we feel kind of bad for you when Ryan and his pals dismantle the social safety net in order to give the richest 1% a big tax cut, it doesn't really affect the rest of the world directly.
We don't need you to feel bad for us... really. Not everyone shares your view on what exactly the Republican base will or won't do. As I said let us worry about our own problems... if they fuck up... we get a chance to fix it in 4 years. Both sides have their low and high points. This is why typically in our Government neither side remains in power for long.

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Erpy: A lot of the foreign stuff is handled by the executive branch though, now in the hands of someone who probably'd have trouble telling the difference between Chile and Peru.
Maybe... maybe not. I actually think Trump is more intelligent than people like to believe or say. He knew exactly what he had to do to get elected and played to his base perfectly. As others have said, people like to take Trump literally... this is a mistake. This in large part why the Democrats lost. They underestimated him at their own peril.

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Erpy: Trump not knowing that Russia invaded Crimea or being unaware of what the First Strike principle in nuclear policy means isn't an opinion. It's a fact. People asked. He didn't know. It's that simple. People learn on the job, if they're intellectually curious and are willing to learn. Trump couldn't even be bothered to study for his debate performances.
Proof? Like a video? A lot was said during the campaign/debates. Even if true... again we come back to Presidents learn on the job. Furthermore, this is why they have advisors... I willing to bet most Presidents don't have a broad knowledge on most issues. Advisors give them the relevant info and from that they make a decision. This is the real job of Presidents. Make choices based on provided information.

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Erpy: It's popular to say that both candidates were equally bad. They used to say the same thing in 2000. I'm pretty sure quite a few people wished the supreme court had broken the tie in Gore's favor in retrospect.
There is no way to know until we live through it... we will never know if Clinton would have been better or not. Even if Trump is really bad, there is always the possibility Clinton would have been even worse.

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Erpy: Also, foreign policy isn't just about how much to be involved with other countries' business, but also about how much to stop being involved in other countries' business. In the latter's case, walking out of international treaties or alliances, potentially leaving vacuums for others to fill.
I don't disagree. But this isn't something that comes down to a specific President. All of them do thing's differently that will lead to this sort of impact.
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darthspudius: Is this another thread for left wingers to be assholes? Haven't we had enough posts of their bullshit? I think so.
yeah man, now if the right would kill the left and then commit suicide the upright few of us (who lean not to the left nor the right) could live in peace.
Sitting here and laughing my fucking ass off at both sides. The kid that screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" had me in tears.
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Get 'em Brad,don't let these girlies put you off.
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CARRiON.FLOWERS: Sitting here and laughing my fucking ass off at both sides. The kid that screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" had me in tears.
I would love to embrace this post and embrace you, but is it me or is every troll in here siding with the Don? :P

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL OF YOU! I have some good friends in here, admirable members of this community, who are happy about this election, but how is it all of the trolls are also to a man happy? :P

Bradley, Tauto, Kleetus, Infinite, richlind, tort.

Seriously, would it kill one of these guys to lean a little to the left? :P I know there are liberal trolls and scammers out there, how come none of them are in this forum?
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BKGaming: Maybe... maybe not. I actually think Trump is more intelligent than people like to believe or say. He knew exactly what he had to do to get elected and played to his base perfectly. As others have said, people like to take Trump literally... this is a mistake. This in large part why the Democrats lost. They underestimated him at their own peril.
I don't think the issue is lack of intelligence as much as lack of intellectual curiosity. Someone can be very intelligent yet when faced with new information that contradicts their preconceived notions, completely dismiss the new evidence because it'd involve acknowledging you were wrong about something. Likewise, "knowing what you don't know" has nothing to do with intelligence either. Trump's the first president who has dismissed the daily presidential intelligence briefings because he considers himself to be too smart for it.

Also, I'm probably giving him less credit than you do, but I don't see Trump's election as some carefully crafted master plan where he was playing 4-dimensional chess. According to his campaign staff, even he was surprised he won. Before Comey dragged Weiner's laptop into the spotlight, Trump was spending most of his time telling the rest of the world that the election was being rigged and there were truckloads of illegitimate voters everywhere. That doesn't sound like someone who's confidently following his own carefully-laid-out plan.

My impression is more that Trump ran his campaign on id and gut and things ended up working out in his favor, but several factors (like Comey's stunt, Scalia's death and the Russian hacking shenanigans) ended up breaking in his favor he had no control over.

I suppose where we disagree here is that your impression is that Trump's merely acting like a narcissist and he's playing a role to keep people off guard while my impression is that he is a narcissist and what we see is what he's been like for the last 5 decades and he's not likely to change this late in his life.
Proof? Like a video? A lot was said during the campaign/debates.
Here's a sample.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6sgHzjLQzs
Even if true... again we come back to Presidents learn on the job. Furthermore, this is why they have advisors... I willing to bet most Presidents don't have a broad knowledge on most issues. Advisors give them the relevant info and from that they make a decision. This is the real job of Presidents. Make choices based on provided information.
Clinton did. Whatever her faults, her broad range of knowledge and eagerness to expand it were things even her republican colleagues in the senate grudgingly admired about her. This argument does kinda comes back to my argument that this part of the job involves knowing what you don't know and one of Trump's worrying traits when faced with inconvenient information is denying it and pretending he never heard it.
There is no way to know until we live through it... we will never know if Clinton would have been better or not. Even if Trump is really bad, there is always the possibility Clinton would have been even worse.
Obviously we can never be sure, but it's fairly safe to assume that if Gore had been in the White House after the 2000 election, he wouldn't have invaded Iraq. (Bush's foreign team showed eagerness to invade there even before the election was decided, Gore never showed interest in putting Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz in charge of national defense)

Likewise, if a crisis occurs and Trump reacts impulsively or in a disorganized way and bungles it as a result, it'll probably be safe to say Clinton would probably have handled it better, simply because impulsiveness and disorganisation simply aren't part of her character.
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CARRiON.FLOWERS: Sitting here and laughing my fucking ass off at both sides. The kid that screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" had me in tears.
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tinyE: I would love to embrace this post and embrace you, but is it me or is every troll in here siding with the Don? :P

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL OF YOU! I have some good friends in here, admirable members of this community, who are happy about this election, but how is it all of the trolls are also to a man happy? :P

Bradley, Tauto, Kleetus, Infinite, richlind, tort.

Seriously, would it kill one of these guys to lean a little to the left? :P I know there are liberal trolls and scammers out there, how come none of them are in this forum?
in the end it will kill them if they lean to the left, for that which is not upright is not human being, it is simply a person.
god is no respector of persons.

leaning any way is to create a side against yourself, the counter-balance is automatic, so when you lean know you think only of yourself, and in a lack of wisdom.
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BKGaming: Nearly 50% of American voters voted for Trump, that is a large slice of America that put these people in the position they are in today.
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markrichardb: At the end of the day, this is what I took away from this experience. Half the country was dissatisfied with the former administration and thought their lives should be better. Hope their decision pays off. Either way I get the feeling this election is going to be studied for a long time.
Don't let his comment throw you off. "nearly 50% of voters", ie, the people that bothered to go out to vote. In reality, only 26% of eligible voters actually voted for Trump. This is why the complaints about voter suppression and gerrymandering are out there, because a small percentage is deciding the fate of the entire country. Heck, they didn't even get the most votes in this election, they just got saved by the electoral college system which is seriously rigged through gerrymandering currently.
Post edited January 21, 2017 by Pheace
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CARRiON.FLOWERS: Sitting here and laughing my fucking ass off at both sides. The kid that screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" had me in tears.
amen brother, amen.
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tinyE: I have some good friends in here, admirable members of this community
Absolutely, and your bestest bud Zeo banned your arse.

Ha ha, you're banned.

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